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Where do you rank OR/AS as a main series Pokemon game?

Discussion in 'Pokémon Generation VI Discussion' started by Boss1991, Jun 23, 2016.

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Where do you rank ORAS compared to the rest of main series?

  1. I think ORAS is the best main series Pokemon game sofar. Number one.

    24 vote(s)
    16.4%
  2. It is the second best Pokemon game sofar. Runner up.

    16 vote(s)
    11.0%
  3. It's not the best, but it is one of the best. Top 3

    35 vote(s)
    24.0%
  4. It is somwhere in the middle.

    52 vote(s)
    35.6%
  5. It is one of the weakest games sofar.

    19 vote(s)
    13.0%
  1. acetrainerlewis

    acetrainerlewis Hoenn Trainer

    Tbh, anyone who thinks XY were better games than ORAS need to check their privilege
     
  2. Alatar VGC

    Alatar VGC House Greyjoy

    It's a matter of opinion.

    ORAS... ahhhhh.

    I like the games. I enjoy the gen 6 engine. And I love a lot of the innovative features that are (to date) unique to it. Such as soaring, and secret bases and dex nav. To name a few.

    The problems I see are not with "ORAS" per say. But the fact it's a remake of a generation that for it's time was fantastic ( And still is in some ways). But has since been overshadowed by later generations.

    HGSS are far superior remakes. That's not to say that they didn't come with their own problems. But they incorporated Crystal story elements to give a more complete Johto experience. While at the same time utilising new features from the generation it was set in. In this case gen 4.

    ORAS's lack of Emerald content (IMO) really hurts it. The copy and paste of XY's battle maison was (IMO) sloppy and the Delta episode (Again I stress IMO) was severely lackluster and an awful lot of running about for very little in return.

    Please don't get me wrong. I enjoy ORAS and they are good games. They could just be so much better then what we got in the end.

    So for me

    1. BW2
    2. HGSS
    3. Platinum
    4. ORAS.

    Not a bad game, just, even now. HGSS still outperforms it in the remake department.
     
  3. Boss1991

    Boss1991 A real Pokéfan

    I think that considering HGSS a better remake than ORAS is largely motivated by Emerald being so much better than Crystal. It is an unfair comparison, considering that Crystal barely added anything to GS, while Emerald was a lot more "different" from RS to begin with. So saying "HGSS added Crystal´s elements, while ORAS didn´t add all of Emerald´s elements", while a true statement, is is completely different when put into context.
     
    Last edited: Jan 26, 2017
  4. Alatar VGC

    Alatar VGC House Greyjoy

    I don't understand your opening statement. :3

    This if a fairly subjective argument and I agree that my own personal bias probably doesn't help lol.

    What I meant by lack of Emerald content was the fact that during the delta episode. It set up the seeds of emerald story elements and then did nothing with it.
    As it stands for right now. Nothing Zinnia said in the Delta episode has been expanded upon in the post game of that game or generation 7 thats now here. Like.... What's the point?
    I digress however.

    So you can't rematch gym leaders like in HGSS.
    Which is fine, but it means no Juan in ORAS. He could at least have had a cameo.
    Wallace is not the champion in rematches against the elite four.
    Steven is not a final boss fight outside of the league like in Emerald.
    No battle frontier.

    Again I feel I am nitpicking and I want to clarify that I do actually enjoy ORAS.
     
  5. Boss1991

    Boss1991 A real Pokéfan

    It means that HGSS had a significantly easier task in adding Crystal´s elements to HGSS, because there were very few things to add. While it would´ve been a much harder task for ORAS to add all of Emerald´s elements: Match Call, Juan, Battle Frontier, Trainer Hill, Wallace being champion, and so on. So it makes sense that they did a RS remake. without making it an Emerald remake.

    I DO agree that all the Emerald references in ORAS were completely unnecessary, because they could lead people to think they are to be expanded after the Delta Episode, but essentially they were just put there to show that those events from Emerald DO take place in the MegaVerse, just not at the time of ORAS, but later (1, 2, 3 years later, who knows?)

    True, but ORAS added the 5 special Battle Resort Type Specialists in the postgame, which are essentially like gym leaders anyway. And, the ORAS Trainers Eye allows to rematch 69 unique trainers at will, while HGSS´s PokeGear allows to rematch 42 unique trainers at will. Add the 18 Gym Leaders and we have a total of 60 rematchable trainers in HGSS, still 9 short of ORAS´s Trainer´s Eye rematches. Not to mention Super Secret Bases can be transformed into customizable Gyms, all with their own Gym Leaders, so...

    I do agree about the lack of Juan, but it is a small issue imo.

    But that´s a good thing, because Steven is a better Champion than Wallace. And Wallace still has his role in ORAS postgame, as he is a challenger in Beauty Contests against the Player.
    Also, Steven was a disappointing one-off final battle! You couldn´t rematch him ever again after that! In ORAS he can be rematched at will, and his final team are all level 77- 79, which are all higher levels than his Emerald´s final battle.


    I agree completely, and I like that as well in Emerald. However, let´s not forget that ORAS has Triple, Rotation and Inverse battles, which Emerald didn´t have. And the Battle Institute, which Emerald didn´t have either... So it is a lot more even this way, I think.

    haha ok :p That´s what counts the most: enjoying the game xD
     
    Last edited: Feb 2, 2017
  6. Captain Jigglypuff

    Captain Jigglypuff Leader of Jigglypuff Army Staff Member

    I think it is one of the best games to date being only surpassed by Sun and a Moon. It was the perfect remake aside from having no Gym rematches or Battle Frontier. It let us get Deoxys without waiting for some special or random event, allowed us to catch an infinite number of Feebas, and had the best Pokémon transportation method with Soaring. ORAS was much better than the original games and still gave off a feeling like you were exploring Hoenn for the very first time. It gave off the most nostalgic feeling out of the remakes. Plus the Delta episode was pretty intense for a post game.
     
  7. Tsukuyomi56

    Tsukuyomi56 Blizzard Maiden

    Think it is was one of the best three games (behind BW2 and Sun/Moon), it helped to eliminate the pain of the "needle of the haystack" search for Feebas and the improved Flying/Soaring landing destinations makes it much more convenient to get around Hoenn. No Gym Leader matches and simply copy-pasting XY Battle Maison's over (as opposed to altering the trainer models to their ORAS appearance) was a bit annoying however.
     
    Last edited: Jan 28, 2017
  8. Boss1991

    Boss1991 A real Pokéfan

    I hope this Poll reaches at least 100 votes :p
     
  9. Boss1991

    Boss1991 A real Pokéfan

    C´mon guys. 1 more vote for the 100 benchmark! :D
     
    Last edited: Mar 2, 2017
  10. Auraninja

    Auraninja I'm ready to Smash

    They're my favorite remakes by virtue of the region, Hoenn.

    HG/SS are probably better remakes by way of innovating from the source material.

    Overall, I like to look at it in terms of regions (which probably means I voted wrong).

    1. Hoenn
    2. Alola
    3. Johto (maybe)

    And so on..
     
  11. Boss1991

    Boss1991 A real Pokéfan

    Now that the poll has finally reached 100 votes (102 now) I will give my thoughts about the results sofar:

    - Combining the votes of the people who think ORAS is "the best game", "the second best game" and "one of the best: in the Top 3", we see that 53% of the total voters think the game is one of the 3 best Pokemon main series games (either first, second or third; gold, silver or bronze medal).

    - 35 % of the voters think ORAS is "somwhere in the middle".

    - 12% of the voters think ORAS is one of the weaker games in the series.

    So, overall, 53% of very positive results, 35% neutral votes, and only 12% of negative votes.

    As an ORAS fan, I am quite delighted with the results sofar; they show that even our online Pokemon comunity seems to like ORAS a lot. Which is important, since we tend to be more critical with Pokemon games than the majority of fans. And even here, ORAS is getting great results, it seems.

    PS: Of course, 102 votes out of millions and millions of players worldwide can´t be completely accurate. But, in general, it is a pretty good amount of votes for a poll, and significant enough.
     
    Last edited: Mar 13, 2017
  12. Vroomer

    Vroomer Well-Known Member

    Having played Sun/Moon for a few months, I am back to playing ORAS.

    ORAS has:
    D pad movement
    Short cut buttons to the bag, team, Dex, save (vs only access by Pressing X)
    National Dex
    O Powers
    Horde encounters
    National Dex
    Soaring
    Radar

    Gen 7 is like a step back to me with all of the above functionality missing for the games. Side step at best. A few good things, but the jump from Gen 4 to 5 was - meh. From 5 to 6 was quite noticeable. Gen 6 to 7... what step forward?

    Now, months into Gen 7 with remakes over 18 months out, I only play S/M for the global missions. And that's just to trigger the rewards.

    My reevaluation of the generations is as follows:
    #1 - Gen 6
    #2 - Gen 4 (HGSS)
    #3 - Gen 3
    #4 - Gen 1/2
    #5 - Gen 7
    #6 - Gen 4 (DPPt)
    #7 - Gen 5

    I am playing these generations still and enjoying them. Your mileage may vary.
     
    Last edited: Apr 10, 2017
  13. Devlin2004

    Devlin2004 giratina guy

    oh my.. this game in my opinion was one of the best. dppt being my favorite. this game was amazing, I quite liked how the national pokedex was much easier to fill and the dexnav was one of my favorite features.
     
  14. Boss1991

    Boss1991 A real Pokéfan

    Yeah, SM removed Rotation, Triple and Inverse battles, as well as the Battle Institute. Also the mini games from Amie and Super Training are all missing. (also, please keep voting on the poll, guys :))
     
    Last edited: Apr 9, 2017
  15. Vroomer

    Vroomer Well-Known Member


    Oh yeah...

    Super Training > Hyper Training - which is just plain lame.
    The only thing going for Gen 7, IMHO, is the Gen1 VC pokes can be transferred to Bank & playable in S/M. Other than that, so much meh.
     
  16. EspNeon

    EspNeon Badge Collector

    It's in the Top 3 for me.


    1) Platinum
    2) Black/White/Black 2/White 2
    3) ORAS/Emerald/Ruby Sapphire

    I loved the game. I loved the graphics. I loved the reintroduction of contests and secret bases. And of course, I loved how a classic game had modern Pokemon and movesets. I just felt however, the lack of trainer customisation was a set back since it was a new feature in XY. And I also thought the post game was rather flat - I had more questions than I did answers.
     
  17. Since last posting, my list has updated.

    1 tied: Platinum, White, Moon
    2: Omega Ruby

    ORAS just didn't have a compelling plot until the Delta Episode when s**t got awesome. If the plot had held up, then it would probably be up there with the golden trio. Moon and White had amazing plots, while Platinum had the most moments where I could do perfect headcanons that made the over-the-top plot a thousand times better.
     
  18. Italianbaptist

    Italianbaptist Informed Casual

    I had to think about how I felt about ORAS for a while. Sapphire was one of the games that I invested the most time with when I was younger. I love the Hoenn region, I love the new Pokemon from this generation, I love Double Battles. There is so much about third gen as a whole that was just amazing for me and it will always hold a special place in my heart.

    So why do I feel so indifferent about the remakes?

    There are a multitude of gripes I have with ORAS in comparison to both its originals and as games themselves. Surprisingly one of my major complaints is not lack of Emerald content, since I never played Emerald, but I did think the Battle Frontier tease crossed the line a bit. My issues are more with the games' existence itself and its story.

    I never felt that we absolutely needed remakes of Ruby and Sapphire since we were still able to, however convoluted, transfer our old Pokemon forward from the originals themselves. At least FireRed/LeafGreen and HeartGold/SoulSilver made Kanto and Johto accessible and their Pokemon transferrable. Somewhat related, I didn't particularly care for a remake of 3rd gen because it was still part of the "modern age" of Pokemon (as opposed to Red/Blue and Gold/Silver being the "classic age"). I'm not really looking forward to potential DP remakes either for the same reason - those games have had even less time to age.

    In terms of story, I felt that the original games handled the main plot better than the remakes. I had made a thread stating something similar a while ago, but in ORAS I feel like the player character starts to drift into "Mary Sue" territory just a bit. (Of course I feel the same way about Steven Universe, so what does that say about my judgment?) It really started to feel this way for me when Latios/Latias decided to just join my party for little reason other than "I had a pure heart" or some such. Then seeing Maxie or Archie have a sudden redemption and then gush on how wonderful the player character was before helping them stop Groudon and Kyogre was a little sappy. It kind of continued into the Delta Episode but by then your character had already established a reputation as the Champion and the one who saved the day before. But it still seemed off to me with everybody gushing on how great you are, especially Steven (talking about Stone now).

    Lastly, there's the issue of the new megas and the dumb decision by Game Freak to not patch X and Y to include them. This definitely frustrated me the most because it was an unprecedented move for the Pokemon games. Before, when a newer version and newer forms came out, they could still battle with the old games, at the expense of the form looking like different with unchanged sprites in the older games. Then comes gen 6 and there had to be a provisional battle mode set up to even compete against someone with the older games. It got to the point where Nintendo themselves even downplayed Mega Evolution, one of the defining new features of the generation, so all the games could be on the same page. If there were technical limitations it would be easier to understand, and I'm sure there were some issues that the development teams couldn't work around, but this is the age of the internet. This is the era of games being patched to add things that weren't there in the beginning. I don't even know if Cloud was even considered to be in Smash 4 when the game was first released, but here we are. Why couldn't Pokemon have done the same?

    EDIT: Oh and one more thing. May's overworld model was really creepy looking...

    That being said with all the criticisms there's still a lot to love about this game. Soaring is especially a treat, one that seems tailor made for the Alola region which is disappointing. And at the end of the day I did very much enjoy visiting Hoenn again. But it's not in the top games of the series for me either. Perhaps if I had been a regular trainer thrust into a major conflict I'd enjoy it more, rather than a "chosen one" who happens to have every legendary Pokemon mysteriously drawn to them.
     
    Last edited: Apr 18, 2017
  19. Boss1991

    Boss1991 A real Pokéfan

    After SM came out, I feel like Alola is a cheaper version of Hoenn. Both have a tropical theme, but Alola is smaller, too linear, and without awesome regional stuff like diving.
     
  20. Pikachu979

    Pikachu979 Sinnoh Champion

    I like alola and hoenn about the same. I feel they both offer different things and have their own pros and cons.
     

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