thedarkdragon11
P4P Elite
Includes all of Ash's Pokémon in their most recent level... Scenario is 2v2...
We have had dozens of threads about ash beating Tobias and the Pokemon he uses. We don't need another
This is why Lycanroc is one of my least favorite Ash's Pokemon. People overrating that dog to the max.Most of the above choices that others mentioned are my suggestions too but I would remove Lycanroc because I think some people really overestimate the wolf's power.
Ubermuk said:Most of the above choices that others mentioned are my suggestions too but I would remove Lycanroc because I think some people really overestimate the wolf's power.
I mean lycanroc took down a kahunas three Pokemon consecutively, defeated gladions tank lycanroc, took down Olivia's Pokemon and rowlet lol, was shown to be training extensively at clawmark hill, was shown to be training more than any alola mon, took down kiawes Charizard, gave type null a good fight, caused kukui to recall Incineroar his strongest Pokemon, and yet is overrated coz he lost to a braviary who made him fall a 100 feet and used a super effective superpower on it. Also considering how it was obvious the writers contrived that situation to make lycanroc lose anyways coz it just won the league.
Like I mean sure lycanroc can be overrated (as is any ace) but then there's understating him such as saying he can't even beat talonflame lol, who is 4x weak to it.
Also nothing puts sceptile above Incineroar.
I think it's also important to note that 3 of the listed achievements also have caveats.Took down kahunas 3 Pokemon. Which is as good as Kukui's Incineroar taking down 3 last stage starters but nothing compared to other Pokemon feats. Kahuna's are shown to be weaker than gym leaders. Brock used Sudowoodo which is weaker than Steelix against Olivia's Lycanroc and battle didn't finish. Not to mention that right now almost all gym leaders have Mega Evolution that means gym leader Pokemon that don't have mega have to bet comparable to them.And Gym level Steelix would've beaten Olivia, so Kahunas are weaker than gym leaders, maybe not all, but 80% gyms are stronger than Kuhanas.
Defeated tank Lycanroc: which is featless,
Took down Olivia's Pokemon that even Sudowoodo can match
Rowlet is yeah lol
was shown to be training= yeah but that doesn't mean it somehow really strong. Charizard has been shown training hard at Valley and Infernape and Sceptile came and could give him hard time.
was shown to be training than any other Alola mon ... well and still he would lose to Incienroar and probably Naganadel, maybe even Melmetal.
Charizard... again featless Pokemon that didn't do much except beat Vikavolt.
Gave him good fight but still lost and that was Type Null, SIlvally is stronger and SIlvally in Alola league is even stronger.
Caused to recalls Incienroar so we could have Incineroar vs Torracat fight and he had to recall it because of Torracat inflicting damage to him.. so again Torracat/Incineroar.
He lost to Braviry ... 100 feet and TR are falling 100 feet so Team rocket's Pokemon and Meowth are super strong? LoL. lycanroc is not overrated when it comes to Alola mons, don't get me wrong so when it comes within Sun and Moon, but when it comes to Lycanroc vs these and peopel saying oooh Lycanroc would beat Latios and Darkrai or idk Talonflame then yes it's overrated.
Lycanroc is not an ace, Incienroar is.
Talonflame beat Avalugg that beat Ash-Greninja who wasn't all himself but still strong. That automatically puts Talonflame above Lycanroc.
Nothing puts Sceptile over Incineroar?
Lol, Sceptile beat Darkrai that can beat 6 gym+ level Pokemon. That alone puts it above.
I see, so without Sitrus Berry, DL would lose?I think it's also important to note that 3 of the listed achievements also have caveats.
Beating Nanu's Pokemon: he had a Sitrus Berry dropped to him from a literal god right in the middle of the battle.
Beating Olivia's Pokemon: he actually only beat Lycanroc, as Rowlet took out Probopass with Bloom Doom.
On par with Type: Null: actually only happened when he entered his uncontrollable rage mode, as up to that point he couldn't land a scratch on Type: Null.
There's really no way of knowing, but it is an interference that does call into question how he would have done against the 3 without it. Though, that whole Grand Trial was a bit too plot-devised for Lycanroc to win.I see, so without Sitrus Berry, DL would lose?
I watched it and Rotom said Sitrus Berry restores Pokemon strength, so DL got his power restored, not 100% but maybe 80%
Includes all of Ash's Pokémon in their most recent level... Scenario is 2v2...
Sceptile and Pikachu are excluded right? Because they already beat those Pokemon. So since it would be lame to vote for them I will go with Charizard and Infernape.