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Which Battle Had The Highest Stakes For Ash?

Discussion in 'Animé Polls' started by Genaller, Jun 13, 2018.

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Which battle did Ash consider his most important?

  1. Vs Drake Orange League

    5.3%
  2. Vs Gary Johto League

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  3. Vs Noland

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  4. Vs Brandon 3rd Match

    5.3%
  5. Vs Paul Sinnoh League

    52.6%
  6. Vs Tobias Sinnoh League

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  7. Vs Alain Kalos League

    36.8%
  8. Other

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  1. Genaller

    Genaller PeaLyZard GreScepIn

    Basically which battle did Ash at the time of said battle consider the “biggest deal”? Note that I’m not asking which of his battles do you personally consider to have the highest stakes, but rather which 1 would Ash himself consider to have the highest stakes. Please let me know if you need more clarification. These seem like the prime candidates to me:

    — Ash vs Drake Orange League Championship Match: This would be Ash’s first full battle and (especially with his now obedient Charizard) his chance to redeem himself after his performance at the Indigo league. Winning this battle would also put Ash in his first hall of fame thus immortalizing him in the annals of Pokéworld history.

    — Ash vs Gary Silver Conference Championship Tournamnet First Round: Gary was the guy whom Ash had always been lagging behind ever since they were little. Ash was visibly agitated with him at times, but in a way Ash also admired Gary and saw him as a goal to reach and surpass. Beating Gary would undeniably prove to him that he’s made giant strides as a trainer.

    — Ash vs Frontier Brain Noland: This was the first time Ash faced a legendary in an official battle. He asked for the challenge himself and was so excited at the prospect that he called his strongest Pokémon (at the time) Charizard to see where he stacks up against a legendary with his best.

    — Ash vs Seventh Forntier Brain Brandon Third Match: This was the battle Ash needed to win in order to conquer the Battle Frontier and be inducted into its hall of fame. Ash lost his previous two battles with Brandon and decided to go back to his roots by having a camping trip with the four Pokémon still remaining from his initial team of six whom he arguably had his strongest bonds with. This battle served as a test for Ash to see how far both he and his Pokémon have come since the start of his journey.

    — Ash vs Paul Lily of the Valley Conference Quarter-Finals: Paul was Ash’s equal yet antithesis as a trainer. Throughout the series the two had been at odds regarding the philosophy of treating and raising Pokémon with it all coming to a head in their Lake Acuity Battle where Paul trounced Ash 6-2. Had Ash failed his Pokémon? Had Ash perhaps even prevented his previous Pokémon from reaching their full potential because of his trainer methods? This was Ash’s opportunity at redemption and to prove to both Paul and himself that his trainer style was never wrong. Winning this battle would also let him finally get past the “TOP 8” where he was stuck at in both Johto and Hoenn.

    — Ash vs Tobias Lily of the Valley Conference Semi-Finals: I guess Ash got to test himself by facing Legendaries (again). This battle means a lot more retroactively since the other finalist couldn’t even beat Darkrai whereas Ash took out both Darkrai and Latios though at the time of the battle I’m not sure what particular significance this match would have for Ash barring of course this being his first time in the semi-finals.

    — Ash vs Alain Lumiose Conference Finals: This was a match where the stage itself holds far more weight than the opponent. Alain was a very powerful trainer whom Ash could never beat and there was mutual respect between these two, but way more importantly this was a league final! A league conference title is something Ash has been chasing for 6 regions ever since the start of his journey. Ash’s ultimate goal is to become a Pokémon Master for which he even states that becoming a Champion Master is a pre-requisite and in order to enter a Champions’ league Ash needs to win a regional league conference. In short winning this battle would let Ash take his first major step towards achieving his greatest dream! Ash himself was disappointed at his performance in Unova and even vowed to his mother that he would win the league not to mention that he also took on the weight of the hopes of trainers who couldn’t enter a league themselves further strengthening his resolve to finally win a league conference title. While Ash may have come short (and been a good sport about it), I have no doubt that Ash personally considered this to be the most important battle of his life!
     
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  2. Ash's final match against Brandon and Ash vs Drake
     
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  3. 345ash-greninja

    345ash-greninja XY(Z) is the best!!!

    Ash vs Alain IMO, because it was a League final. If he won that match, he'd have won the League. It has been well established in the anime that winning a League is a very important step in Ash's journey as a Pokemon trainer so far: upto Kalos, he travelled in 6 regions, collected 8 badges in each and every region he travelled in, challenging many Gym Leaders ----> just to compete in the regional League, which he has done in all 6 regions he travelled upto Kalos. And that obviously means something. Winning the League has been and will always be Ash primary major step in his journey as a Pokemon trainer, that's why I'm pretty sure Ash considered the Kalos League final battle vs Alain most important in his journey as a Pokemon trainer so far.
     
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  4. Frozocrone

    Frozocrone Miraculous!

    Ash Vs Paul, not even close.

    This was more than getting higher than before, or defeating someone deemed stronger than him, or getting a trophy.

    This was proving to himself and to doubters that his methods and ideals were just as valid as Paul's, if not better. Even moreso after the Lake Acuity battle where it looked like Paul had Ash seriously doubting whether he had failed his Pokémon all this time.

    This league battle was more than a test of strength, it was a test of ideals and how Ash would continue on as a trainer afterwards.
     
  5. Genaller

    Genaller PeaLyZard GreScepIn

    I disagree with vs Paul being Ash’s most important battle, but I will admit that the argument for it (which I also addressed) is quite compelling.
     
  6. ash&charizardfan

    ash&charizardfan Well-Known Member

    Ash vs brandon and ash vs alain at KL finals Paul match is not that important as it was still a quarters, match vs tobias was more important.
     
  7. mehmeh1

    mehmeh1 Well-Known Member

    for his goal, alain, as a trainer and person, paul, for the world, lysandre
    also, off-topic, but does anyone think sm would for the most part fit better if it was between bw and xy (if say, ash never met alexa)?
     
  8. U.N. Owen

    U.N. Owen Well-Known Member

    Yeah, Ash vs. Paul by a long shot. I would say Ash vs. Alain, but the end where Ash basically smiled off his loss almost immediately after the battle made me drop my vote to vs. Paul.
     
  9. Genaller

    Genaller PeaLyZard GreScepIn

    You’re making a false assumption by implying that the battle didn’t mean much to Ash just because he was being a good sport about it. The first thing he tells his friends was that he was sorry he couldn’t meet their expectations. As far as Ash was concerned he gave the best fight he could and it was just that the opponent was too strong (understandable when said opponent was the only non-champion trainer to beat an E4 on-screen). I accept that there’s a respectable argument for Vs Paul, but I don’t accept that Ash didn’t really care about the goal he was chasing for so long because he was mature enough to not have a negative reaction to coming up short.

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    Just going to leave this here: http://aminoapps.com/p/w1chlxMost Important Battle Of Ash’s Life!
     
  10. PokemonBattleFanatic-

    PokemonBattleFanatic- Paul/Shinji fan

    Ash vs Paul battle had the highest takes for Ash because in his first full battle with Paul it ended in a HARD loss for Ash,it left him depressed for a while afterwords.If he lost to Paul again at the league then it would further prove that Paul's methods are superior to his and would lead to depression,crying,and possibly changing his methods altogether.None of the other battles had as high of stakes because Ash had nothing to lose as a trainer.
     
  11. Genaller

    Genaller PeaLyZard GreScepIn

    When did Ash ever cry after loosing to Paul? The irony is that he sort of did change his methods like having Infernape deliberately take Electivire’s Thunder in order to activate Blaze early which is honestly more of a Paul move. For the Alain battle it’s more about what Ash had to gain rather than loose. Him winning a regional league would allow him to take his first major permanent step towards becoming a Pokémon Master (his dream) since he would then gain access to the Champions’ leagues of every region a.k.a he would never have to do the whole collecting gym badges -> entering regular league conferences shtick ever again and can instead focus on attaining the title of Champion Master of a given region which Ash himself states is a pre-requisite for obtaining the title of Pokémon Master (which once again is his dream). Considering how much time and effort Ash has put into entering and winning a league conference, the prospect of finally winning 1 and completing the first major step towards his dream utterly shatters the stakes in any other battle period IMAO.

    If Ash vs Paul was a league final (and that battle was more than worthy of the stage), then it unquestionably would’ve been the battle with the highest stakes though sadly that wasn’t the case.
     
  12. PokemonBattleFanatic-

    PokemonBattleFanatic- Paul/Shinji fan

    There wasn't a chance in hell of Ash ever defeating Alain,especially with his Kalos team,his chances were shot the moment Alain stepped foot in the league stadium.
     
  13. Genaller

    Genaller PeaLyZard GreScepIn

    Could be though we’re talking about Ash’s opinion and not yours. Ash genuinely believed he could win up until the very last moment, and that’s what matters.
     
  14. keepitsimple

    keepitsimple Big Brother

    Alain because he was at the final round in a league tournament.

    Why is Alain losing? He should have lost the Kalos League, not this poll ;)
     
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  15. PokemonBattleFanatic-

    PokemonBattleFanatic- Paul/Shinji fan

    He believed he could defeat Alain despite the fact that he didn't have the team to do so,he said the exact same thing to Tobias.
     
  16. Genaller

    Genaller PeaLyZard GreScepIn

    There’s a very big difference between the 2. Against Tobias in his heart he gave up on winning after he lost his 5th Pokémon because it was too unrealistic to believe that Pikachu could take out a full health Latios that just destroyed Swellow in addition to 4 other Pokémon though despite that he wanted to go out in a blaze of glory which is why he kept fighting his hardest till the end. Against Alain for the majority of the match he was either even with Alain or actually had the advantage in terms of Pokémon. Even against MC-X Ash-Greninja was clashing evenly with it and getting multiple hits in with MC-X stumbling after the final explosion indicating that the match was in-fact pretty close (though in hindsight it wouldn’t have been if Alain MEd from the start). Ash saw exactly what he was up against and didn’t have a single moment of hesitation (unlike in vs Tobias where we visibly see him momentarily distressed after loosing Swellow). In short Ash genuinely believed he could beat Alain until the very end, hence for him those stakes I mentioned were relevant till the very end. Finally even if Ash always really thought he could beat Tobias the stakes weren’t as high since winning would only give him the chance to compete for the title rather than the title itself.
     
  17. PokemonBattleFanatic-

    PokemonBattleFanatic- Paul/Shinji fan

    He was never going to defeat Alain regardless of how confident he felt about winning.
     
  18. Genaller

    Genaller PeaLyZard GreScepIn

    Okay though the question is which battle did Ash consider his most important at the time of said battle. Also the only feat that outright caps Ash-Greninja is the Mega Charizard X KL perfromance. If A-G had won, then all it would mean is that we would tier A-G relatively higher than either of us currently do. Considering the trend in their battles the narrative expectation was that A-G would beat MC-X though the writers had other ideas.
     
  19. PokemonBattleFanatic-

    PokemonBattleFanatic- Paul/Shinji fan

    You're just too stubborn to accept the fact that Ash was never going to win.
     
  20. Genaller

    Genaller PeaLyZard GreScepIn

    You’re just too stubborn to accept the fact that Ash genuinely thought he was going to win right up till the moment he didn’t hence the stakes of the match were relevant to him right until the very end of the battle.
     

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