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Which old character could be the current Kanto Champion?
- Thread starter Psajdak
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Same goes for Ash though....
SerGoldenhandtheJust
Deluded Dreamer
Hes also the top trainer in Alola though after beating Kukui, being the champion of a region
He also defeated Iris, the champion of Unova
And hes set to beat Leon, the world champion...
Morax
King of heroes
That's a case of Alola not having any strong trainers like Tobias/Alain. Ash got lucky more than anything.
SerGoldenhandtheJust
Deluded Dreamer
Gladion with both Silvally and his Lycanroc and Kukui with his buff Incineroar and Tapu Koko, a literal guardian deity, count as strong. Defeating them isnt "Lucky"
Tobias is more of a plot device then anything and Alain is strong but only with his charizard, rest of his team barely got anything
Morax
King of heroes
A torracat that can absorb a blast burn, a melmetal, a nagandel, a dusk lycanroc and a magic crystal made specifically for ash and his pet rodant is called being lucky. Ash has never had such powerhouses before.
Also Alain and Tobias >> gladion and kukui
Captain Jigglypuff
*On Vacation. Go Away!*
I am honestly convinced that AJ is the Kanto Champion. He was extremely strong and took out TRio without any help and this was only the eighth episode ever and it took Ash relying on others to help him get rid of them. The Indigo League Top Ten was never revealed to us and it was stated that Gary placed much higher than Ash but wasn’t part of the finals. AJ could have easily been in the Finals and reach the top using Sandshrew (or Sandslash if he decided to let it evolve) and we don’t know all of his Pokémon beyond what was seen in his episode. It’s even possible that AJ could be as strong as Alain and Tobias at this point.
I never said Ash was regional champion tier. Well, technically he wasn't until the last episode. If Iris was the actual regional champion of Unova which seems to be the case, then Ash is technically the regional champion of Unova at this point considering the fact that he beat Iris in an official battle.
You are hyping over Kukui and Gladion. Ash's Alola league victory win doesn't scale to the same extent of his Kalos match despite losing. Ash's Charizard was confirmed Elite four tier. In fact, the first non regional champion Pokemon that actually defeated an Elite four members Pokemon on Screen. The fact that Ash put up an even fight against Charizard and forced Alain to go all out was very impressive.
Secondly, like the other commenter said, the Alola league achievement doesn't scale up to Ash's performance in Kalos. Plus, using the Ash was a regional champion tier already cause he is the "Strongest trainer in Alola" would be too much of a stretch. In fact, Ash did have a very similar title like this back in the Orange Island League where he defeated the strongest trainer there. But clearly, Post Orange Islands League Ash wasn't Champion tier.
But from the looks of it, the writers are now completely disregarding the previous benchmarks set by Elite four members and regional champions. It's laughable Ash beat a regional champion using a Pokemon that never battled before lmao. Imagine how the battle would've gone if he used Ash Greninja or some of his reserves like Charizard or Infernape lol.
Ragnarok4
2024
Ragnarok4
2024
I think this too, Ash should finish Journeys becoming a Regional Champion.
WalesNote
Well-Known Member
Problem is, if he does become the champion, then does his journey end? He could explore new regions with Lance taking his place, but if he is champion level, then it wouldn't make sense for him to go around collecting badges again (and losing to random people here and there, or at least to the gym leaders).
Perhaps the current series will end and a new one will begin, following the adventures of the protagonist of each region.
Perhaps the current series will end and a new one will begin, following the adventures of the protagonist of each region.
Pokegirl Fan~
Liko>>>>>Ash
And then the next series he loses to a trainer getting their first Pokemon xD
Ragnarok4
2024
A reboot would not be bad imo
ChampioN One
The chosen One!
Do you think becoming a regional champion = pokémon master?
He should finish Journeys as the world champion.
SerGoldenhandtheJust
Deluded Dreamer
A torracat that can absord blast burn fitting with the lore that species has, thats not luck
A melmetal he has had since it was a meltan. Plus it didnt contribute significantly to his victory at all. Neither did Nagandel
Dusk lycanroc, how is that lucky? You do realise Ash literally raised it as a rockruff and trained it for it to be as powerful as it is
That Z move is from the games lore, not an anime only thing conveniently created
That still doesnt mean gladion and kukui are weak trainers by any means
You just equating his victory to luck is just flawed and plainly untrue
SerGoldenhandtheJust
Deluded Dreamer
And youre underestimating them. Im pretty sure defeating Kukui and his buff af Incineroar and Tapu koko, a literal guardian deity that managed to land a hit on Ultra Necrozma, in the same match, is a better feat then his ninja frog losing to Charizard. Esp since Charizard is the only Alain pokemon we know was strong. Ash being the regional champion because hes the strongest trainer in alola isnt a stretch, its literally the definition of a regional champion and how Iris is described as a champion too. And yes Ash was a champion of Orange islands too, people didnt want to count it because its anime only. Ash is champion tier by the end of SM, he can still be weaker then champions like Leon and Cynthia but since hes Alola's champion and he defeated Unova's champion too, he is champion tier. Stop undervaluing him
Pokemonfan5
Well-Known Member
Gladion is also more powerful than league winners like Tyson and Virgil while Kukui was said to be high E4 level trainer and with Tapu Koko he is like Champion level, I can see Ash or Kukui+Tapu Koko at the end of SM stronger than Unova and Kalos Champions.
RafaSceptile
Well-Known Member
I think Kukui can be considered stronger than the Pokémon League champions but Tobias and Alain, as for the regional champions I think Kukui is weaker than all of them except maube Orange Islands Drake, who actually is a good candidate for the current Kanto champion
Ragnarok4
2024
I'm not sure about Virgil, He had all the eeveelutions, which gives him a considerable advantage by having many varied types, plus He defeated Cameron with a score of 3-0
I don't see how Gladion could beat Cameron so easily considering that Lucario had the level of Pikachu and Hydreigon was very strong ...Not counting samurott
If Gladion didn't have Z Move, he could also beat Tyson in a 3 vs 3 but I don't think he can beat easily Virgil
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Pokemonfan5
Well-Known Member
Ash experience and his Pokemons strength is faaar above against Gladion compared to Hoenn and Unova (since BW rebooted him), Pikachu in Alola league>>>Unova league>Hoenn league, he had Mythical Melmetal and Lycanroc who is MAYBE Sceptile level at the end of BF (Sceptile in Sinnoh was more powerful) and Ash barely lost to Gladion.
Gladion had Legendary Silvally who can take out 2-3 Pokemons of Virgil and Tyson alone also don't forget he can change type, Zoroark was able to tie with Pikachu (with little help from Silvally) and his Lycanroc shown great strength and endurance since he take a z move and survive and barely lost to Ash's Lycanroc.