Prry sure I was just discussing something I didn't like outwardly about the character (which I did't even start), you admitted you go out of your way to insult the Alola league for drama. We are not the same, you can't compare when you don't compete. I talk about Iris more than Serena meanwhile you instigated an 18 page post bc of trollingAnd they call me rent free, the irony lol
I think that gets a pass just because Ash got to play an important role in her episode, and wasn't dragged away by a ship almost immediately. Plus, he got to interact with her in the episode right after that one. Honestly, I'd say both situations are incomparable imo.I agreed with the fact not getting to interact to Ash was bad, but I don't consider it a super important aspect of the episode if the remaining aspects of it were worth.
For example, Lillie barely interacted with Ash but she got a beautiful episode.
I'd tend to agree with that tbh. Ash not getting to interact with her much was a huge flaw imo (I didn't like this in the first Dawn return either, though she got to spend a LOT more with him later) but her return was definitely better than the likes of Alain, whose only purpose was to lose so someone else could look better.Serena barely interacted with Ash, but we saw how much she growth as a character during all this time. Like, at worst it has to be in a middle ground, not freaking Alain's return level.
They talked to each other for like 10 seconds.Plus, he got to interact with her in the episode right after that one.
before it was much worse, I remember that in 2013 a negaishipper (from Chile) resorted to suicide because of Serena's existence, but luckily the hospital saved his lifeApparently, I never realized the most interesting thing to talk about in a kids cartoon involving monsters beating the **** out of each other is...the apparent love life of a 10-year-old boy.
I mean, Ash and Serena got 30 seconds at best, and they didn't even get to interact in off-screen land (which is where most of the stuff I wanted to see in JN seemed to happen, for some reason).They talked to each other for like 10 seconds.
We were a Pokemon fandom group on Facebook back then. We got the news from his mom and it's 100% proven if you ask me.I never realized the most interesting thing to talk about in a kids cartoon involving monsters beating the **** out of each other is...the apparent love life of a 10-year-old boy.
before it was much worse, I remember that in 2013 a negaishipper (from Chile) resorted to suicide because of Serena's existence, but luckily the hospital saved his life
Not surprised, Pokémon is huge and, as a result, has a ton of fans who need urgent psychological help.We were a Pokemon fandom group on Facebook back then. We got the news from his mom and it's 100% proven if you ask me.
Man I just hope Riko doesn't become the new sex symbol for these weird guys, but I guess it's impossible to avoid.Not surprised, Pokémon is huge and, as a result, has a ton of fans who need urgent psychological help.
I don't like the offscreen argument because we don't know if it really happen. Like it seems possible Lillie interacted with Ash, but it seems possible as well that she spent the rest of the party with Lusamine and Mohn.I mean, Ash and Serena got 30 seconds at best, and they didn't even get to interact in off-screen land (which is where most of the stuff I wanted to see in JN seemed to happen, for some reason).
tbh she did do some........really weird moves, like using Stealth Rock when Ash only had like 3 pokemon left, 2 of which resisted rock, then there's the Togekiss thing (which I kinda get, but still), and Garchomp's moveset.Cynthia.
She got a lot of shine, including a backstory.
Her battle with Ash was better than his battle with Leon. Lots of strategy and cunning from her, and this brought out that side in Ash (return of the counter shield).
I'm sorry to inform you that 4chan was talking about her thighs the moment she showed up.Man I just hope Riko doesn't become the new sex symbol for these weird guys, but I guess it's impossible to avoid.
I mean, that's fair but their total combined time with each other was still far higher than Serena's. Plus, she got to have an actual dialog with him where we learned that she's been keeping tabs on him and watching his matches, while Serena got...well, 2 lines with Ash?I don't like the offscreen argument because we don't know if it really happen. Like it seems possible Lillie interacted with Ash, but it seems possible as well that she spent the rest of the party with Lusamine and Mohn.
Agreed, let's just end this discussion on 'who spent less time with Ash' right here.Anyways that's not the point!
Well I mean, you also gotta consider that Serena's return was also memorable. I wouldn't be surprised if people forgot that Alain even came back, with how bad and inconsequential his return was.I can see people not liking the return because Serena didn't interact with Ash enough time, but people needs to be more honest to themselves about how good or bad those episodes are as well. It wasn't the best but it was FAR from the worse.
More like the entirety of Ash's reserves got the worst return...by being cheerleaders instead of being a part of the PWC.Then can I say that Infernape got the worst return by far?
I’m shocked that people ship Ash and Iris.before it was much worse, I remember that in 2013 a negaishipper (from Chile) resorted to suicide because of Serena's existence, but luckily the hospital saved his life
Which is why it shocks me people say it was the worst and the reason why, at least in this thread, the discussion startedWell I mean, you also gotta consider that Serena's return was also memorable.
Why? Ash is shipped with everyone under the sunflora.I’m shocked that people ship Ash and Iris.