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Who is more obnoxious: antitheists or Bible-thumpers?

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kochoupink

butts lol
The debate forum has seen its share of religious topics. Evolution, abortion, grammar, and, most recently, homosexuality, have had their share in the spotlight, gotten very nasty on both sides, and subsequently closed.

However, every single one of these debates inevitably comes down to a single question:

Which faction is more obnoxious?

Using examples from past debates, is it possible to determine which side is more belligerent and/or unable to comprehend what it reads?

For instance, in the current homosexuality debate, Wordy is tipping the side pretty heavily toward the Bible-thumpers. However, if I recall correctly (and I believe I do), there were a couple rather nasty antitheists (note the distinction between the atheist and the antitheist - the atheist peacefully does not believe in God. The antitheist is angry that anyone does believe in God.) in the "does God exist" debate.

So which side has been a bigger jerk to the other (ON THIS FORUM, Y'ALL)? Why do you think that is? Please cite sources!
 
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Scrible

Well-Known Member
I don't think it's a matter of who is what. It's more of an individual issue. Generalizing is awful. One obnoxious person does not set the standard for the group.

People who truly value their opinions are the most ignorant in a sense, because they're unable to comprehend how someone else could disagree. And for this reason they will lash out with the most ignorant and no sensed statement response. It's pretty difficult for people to both value their own opinions and truly accept someone elses. I've seen it far too many times to label as anything other than fact. The whole concept might not make sense to you, but if you take some time to think about it it really makes sense :D

Humans are but opinions. Therefore, insulting someones opinion is insulting their inner self. If you think about it, all you ever talk about is your opinion. All you ever think is your opinion. All you ever study is your opinion. All you ever worship is your opinion. There is nothing in this world that is not but an opinion (obviously, if you want to say math or science then you got me, but that's not what I was talking about :p)

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Please don't eat me for my opinion :c
 
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Cipher

Nothing to be done
First of all, in no way did I encourage the slightly inebriated creation of this thread.

That said, I'm going to have to go with the antitheists. Bible-thumpers are easy to ignore. Their arguments are tired and predictable, and they stick to the Bible and their own belief system as their sole sources. That's just so harmless and easy to write off. It's like, "Cute. You're going to point me to the Bible...again. Good contribution."

The antitheists are a more varied brand of irritating. I think it has a lot to do with the fact that, unlike the Bible-thumpers, many of them are presenting legitimate points (or at least ones I can identify with) in the most uniquely stupid manner. It's disappointing really, and a personal travesty to have them represent the non-religious crowd. There's just nothing quite so annoyingly ironic as trying to force a non-belief on others.

And they love their bullsh*t, purposefully inflammatory facts. Unlike Bible quote #548, these are impossible to ignore because they can actually be scrutinized.

MrPostman said:
The bible belt has a history of Biblically-based bigotry and discrimination, and it is the area with the highest divorce, murder, STD/HIV/AIDS, teen pregnancy, infant mortality, and obesity rates in the nation. Go fundamentalism!
Here, in a certain topic on moral relativism, MrPostman attempts to incorporate baseless statistics into his post and connect them back to the ills of a Christian belief system. Not only is it a logical fallacy in and of itself to attack the belief holder as opposed to the belief, the post only vaguely related to the topic at hand. And again, we see directly, purposefully inflammatory use of information.

The Bible-thumpers aren't harming anything. They're not selling their ideas, but again, they're easy to ignore. The antitheists are illegitamizing otherwise sound reasoning, and doing so in an attention-grabbing way. Like the atheist groups who sue the government over the use of the word God, like the anime-obsessed and unwashed constituancy of my Japanese classes, like the hipsters who share my music and the general populous of my English college, I beg of them: Stop illegitamizing my beliefs and interests.
 
They both annoy me equally. If I wrote a book and said that the stuff in it actually happened, by their logic I would have my own religion. In short I hate it when people try to force their beliefs on me, and when I'm asked my "Christian" name. What if I'm not Christian? If so you've just told me my entire religion is a load of bullsh1t. Thanks for that, thanks a lot!
 

PsychedelicJellyfish

formerly R. New
As an antitheist myself, I can't really give an objective opinion. Naturally I would say that Bible thumpers are much worse.

Putting my own beliefs aside for a moment (with great difficulty), I think they're capable of being as obnoxious as each other. Antitheists will essentially say 'You're stupid for believing in God therefore I won't listen to you' and Bible thumpers will say 'The Bible is right and you're wrong therefore I won't listen to you'.

However, antitheists are prejudiced against religion whereas Bible thumpers are prejudiced against pretty much everything.

(I'm more of a quiet antitheist myself. I'm incredibly annoyed by the fact that anyone could believe such utter twaddle, but I'll generally leave people to their beliefs unless they try shoving them down my throat. As such, when a guest speaker came into school to talk about how Christianity is still relevant, I kept my mouth shut once he had assured us that he wasn't trying to convert us.)
 

IMPERIAL DRAGON

Enemy Of Reality
Both sides have equal potential to be complete pricks, but from personal experience, I find it’s a combination between the individual involved and how fiercely they present views that creates friction. Many atheists develop their opinions during their early to mid teens, which leads to a horrendous dose of teenage angst, but I’ve seen this evolve into something far more refined and impressive, since time really does seem to mature critical views for the better as they grow up and learn to present opinions in a productive powerful manner. While the typical Christian logic doesn’t always advance beyond excessive exclamation marks and that tawdry list of things we must not do (not the Ten Commandments, issues that are social and require no religious input such as masturbation, pre marital sex, pornography, abortion, contraception etc).

I’ve been debating here for years and back in the day I was even a mod, so I’ve seen my fair share of discussions that have informed the statements above. Debating with atheists and religious people can be incredibly interesting but also bloody infuriating depending on who you’re talking to, since atheists tend to come out with more thought provoking sentiments and cohesive arguments, to be honest, they’re fun to debate with when there is enough friction and material to make the discussion last, but Christians do tend to be easy to brush aside when their entire mantra can be picked apart by logic and common sense; as previously mentioned, they are pretty harmless, but every once in a while you’re find one who just won’t listen and continues to spew crap despite the audience losing interest. That’s pretty much why I gave up and went into debating exile, along with lack of time, since back in the day we had a lot of laughs and plenty of discussions, but I grew tired and weary of the lack of a challenge posed in the issues that interest me.

People lose control over the confrontations and lose credibility as a result, like when CutiePie (think that’s who it was) claimed 97% of women in porn are held at gun point, that’s a perfect example of a religious person (which I believe she is) letting their side down with overwhelming flawed arguments.
The victor of a debate is whoever isn’t ruled by their temper, and provides solid respectable ideas, regardless of whether they are right, the manner in which they debate is half the fight.
 

Vaporeon4evr

Cyndakill
As a practicing theist, I really hate how both sides approach the issue. Naturally, I'm inclined to dislike antitheists more, but I tend to get equally frustrated with incompetent theists as well. I'm through the phase of religious skepticism, and I've resolved that I do believe in a God. What annoys me is when atheists raise the whole "if I told you there was an invisible pink unicorn behind me hurr durr" perspective. When religion gets bashed, it typically gets over-simplified, and "enlightened" antitheists love to throw in quotes about logic and rationality and how primitive it is to believe in something that hasn't been proven by almighty science. A theist can never win a fight with an antitheist: the latter will demand logical and empirical evidence that a god does indeed exist, and since religion is a matter of faith and not logic, the antitheist will never be satisfied with the former's response.

Theists (ignorant ones), on the other hand, are rarely any better. They have a tendency to give improper support for their beliefs, and cite the Bible for arguments. No self-respecting atheist is going to bow to the reasonings of a book they've dismissed as fictional.

All in all, I think neither side gets the whole point of religion. Religion helps to shape morals, and gives us something beyond ourselves to believe in when things get tough. It's comforting to know at the end of your life that you had a purpose, and that you will be rewarded in the afterlife. I live a wonderful life, and I have my religion to thank for that. Yeah, there may not be a God, but that doesn't diminish the significance of my existence, and it doesn't hinder my progress as an individual. I can be just as successful, if not moreso, than any antitheist who asserts my beliefs are baseless and unscientific. We are not rational beings: why should be rational in our faith?
 

Dattebayo

Banned
Both sides are extremely annoying. Bible-thumpers always say things like "Pokemon/Rock/Masturbation/etc. is the work of the Devil" while antitheists will mock you for even having a religion and start making claims that seem less-logical about religion. That's why I have trouble choosing which side due to my naiveness.
 

Zenotwapal

have a drink on me
Both.

But in reality, i think atheists are harder to deal with.
Because you say the word "God" once by accident, they'll just GO OFF.

But in another reality:
If you say "Devil" once in front of a Bible Thumper, they'll just GO OFF.
 

Grei

not the color
They can both be annoying. Both. Equally. [/cop-outanswer]

I find Bible-Thumpers more annoying. Atheists can be hard to deal with if they try to force their beliefs onto others, but I've noticed that a lot of atheists simply are atheists and don't try preaching their beliefs.

Bible-Thumpers put their entire being into the Bible and their religion and don't take any other belief. Some yell at you for not living in "God's grace" and get all angry about it, which is hypocritical to their religion.
... I dunno, I can't think of anything at the moment. :x I just know that, in my experience, Bible-Thumpers are much more obnoxious.
 

Tim the turtle

Happy Mudkip
I’ve been debating here for years and back in the day I was even a mod
Hang on wait, you're not a mod anymore? When did that happen? I remember you gave me my first infraction here :p

I think that there have been good arguments put down here, and now I'll give my two cents. I am an agnostic and really I should have no bais either way. Bible-thumpers I find do tend to be the ones who start the slow and inevitable slide into predictable mud slinging that most religious debates turn into, although there are exceptions, take Mr Postman's posts for example. Antitheists on the other hand are often the ones that will carry on a pointless debate far too far, and tend to be more arrogant, Bible-thumpers strike me as being more ignorant (not because they believe in God, more so a case of how their arguments are structured) but antitheists think that they can ignore any form of decent debate simply by dropping the word science into a post.

In terms who I despise more, on a purely personal level I will have to side with hating the antitheists more, for the simple reason that I used to be one. Now, every time that I see one debate it reminds me, very uncomfortably, of myself.
 

muumajii23

Well-Known Member
Both really are incredibly annoying, although I do think antitheists are the worst. Antitheists are usually cruel beings, while most Bible-thumpers are usually kind about what they are saying.
 

Fused

Shun the nonbeliever
I agree with Scrible: it's really bad to generalize. I've met Bible thumpers who are very respectable and actually rational people. The same goes for antitheists. So for me to say which one is more annoying would be a poor generalization on my part. The two choices we have been given in this debate are extremes of atheists and theists, and these two extremes only show their faces rarely.
 

J.T.

ಠ_ಠ
Both sides are extremely annoying, and I refuse to be involved with either of them. I don't believe either can be "worse" than the other.

That said, I'd like to make a comment on people saying antitheists are worse. Compare how many fundies have killed people for their beliefs to how many antitheists have. I don't believe either is necessarily worse than the other, but it's food for thought.
 

IMPERIAL DRAGON

Enemy Of Reality
Hang on wait, you're not a mod anymore? When did that happen? I remember you gave me my first infraction here :p

Really man? Seriously can't remember that haha yeah I haven't been a mod here for ages, at least a year or something, probably longer. I was surprised to begin with since no one even told me about it, literally just logged on one day and was like, dude, I thought I was a mod :p my activity did become non existent but a conversation about it would have been nice.

But on topic, I reckon the key to understanding is compromise. Many members who aren’t religious do reach for the middle ground, even if they’re atheist/ agnostic/ undecided, do at least attempt to discuss the issue, but its pretty apparent how some Christians won’t debate outside the possibility they’re wrong. Not that faith is anything to be snubbed, I’d just rather hear what an individual has to say about certain points instead of it amounting to ‘I believe this because the bible…’ That’s why I’d like some epic discussion about social issues such as masturbation, pre marital sex, pornography, abortion, contraception or the morality of stem cell research, genetic creation, global warming, world population etc. You know, important issues of the modern age, in which we can discuss the ethics without god entering the outcome, since all too often in today’s society people respond with god to specifically human issues. Debating the possible existence of god is basically retarded by definition, since all the devoted can offer is faith and belief while these antitheists are flogging a dead horse by relying on science to explain their point of view. So I’d much rather debate things we as people can actually change, or at least impact on. The ‘does god exist’ argument has been around for centuries and will continue to perplex future thinkers long after our bones are dust, unless by some miracle, some divine event occurs to confirm the answer, one way or the other.
 

tyranitar90

UP THE IRONS
bible thumpers re the most annoying. You can't do anything without them saying that the bible says that something is bad. The whole reason I am atheist is because i cant stand their lame reasons. They don't realize that they are hiding behind their little book. Because of their lame-o beliefs there have been massive genocides like the holocaust and Native americans have been robbed of their lands.

Bible thumpers can't think for themselves nuff said. I don't want to be a slave to self-righteousness, I want to rise.
 

Lucos

Well-Known Member
Both sides are annoying since both sides show no respect to the other side at all and both sides just waste their time on having endless and pretty much useless debates where you could say that whoever wins the debate, you're still a loser.

I, as an atheist, love to have a discussion with a theist from time to time, but only if it's a friendly, open-minded discussion with respect from both sides. Trust me people, we all could learn a lot from each other, so there is no reason to bash eachother's head in, instead, we should try to understand each other and hopefully learn from each other.

Though I wouldn't call myself an anti-theist, I do hate religious extremists. When people start pushing their believes on others, when people start to hate each other because of their different believes, when people start wars because of their religion, then I can't help myself but feeling hate towards these people. Sadly, almost every religion is guilty of this, except for peaceful religions such as Buddhism.
 

AlanL

Infinite Curiosity
I find both sides to be equally annoying when taking a neutral viewpoint, because at heart, they're both the same kind of person. A person who believes in something to an extreme and chastises anyone who doesn't.

As an agnostic myself, I have a further personal reason for disliking antitheists. In exactly the same way that bible thumpers make normal religious people look bad, antitheists make atheists and agnostics look bad.

Really, both types in the end do nothing more than hurt their own side by giving it a bad rep.
 

Cipher

Nothing to be done
bible thumpers re the most annoying. You can't do anything without them saying that the bible says that something is bad. The whole reason I am atheist is because i cant stand their lame reasons. They don't realize that they are hiding behind their little book. Because of their lame-o beliefs there have been massive genocides like the holocaust and Native americans have been robbed of their lands.

Bible thumpers can't think for themselves nuff said. I don't want to be a slave to self-righteousness, I want to rise.
I rest my case.
 

Vaporeon4evr

Cyndakill
bible thumpers re the most annoying. You can't do anything without them saying that the bible says that something is bad. The whole reason I am atheist is because i cant stand their lame reasons. They don't realize that they are hiding behind their little book. Because of their lame-o beliefs there have been massive genocides like the holocaust and Native americans have been robbed of their lands.

Bible thumpers can't think for themselves nuff said. I don't want to be a slave to self-righteousness, I want to rise.

I think he just blamed religion for the Holocaust and Native American resentment.

Irrefutable logic? I think so.
 
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