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Who is stronger; Ash’s Snorlax or Ash’s Incineroar?

Who is stronger?


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nickdt

Well-Known Member
No, I'm telling it isn't plot armor since it has an explanation, the actual plot armor is unexplicable

Problem is that it was plot armor, even with explanation, just like Swellows Thunder Armor was plot armor (Despite it having explanation, dating back to its capture episode).

Here is the thing: Its Plot Armor by default, because we haven't seen it occur before, not even when Torracat was training with Turtonator. Plot Armor means: Ass-pull by the writers to give a Pokemon a power-up/advantage it hasn't shown having before.

This is why Thunder Armor is also Plot Armor, just like Kamehameha Ash-Greninja during the Kalos League, but Blaze Infernape is not, since it was developed throughout the whole region.

Like for example if Fletchinders Flame Body would have activated against Mega Lucario, it would also have been plotarmor, because Pikachu couldn't defeat Lucario beforehand 1v1 (It couldn't anyways, since Fletchinder landed a hit), but that would have chipped away damage from Lucario more than the hit from Fletchinder and would have give Pikachu more of an advantage than the hit from Fletchinder.

There are so many plotarmors with explanation, that still remain plotarmors nonetheless (Like learning new moves/evolving during a battle, while its explained as the Pokemon growing stronger, it still gets a new weapon to defeat its opponent).
 
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vondecayle

Well-Known Member
Ash’s Snorlax
 
Equal I feel like. But I feel like Incineroar is stronger, because we have yet to see it’s full potential
 

Ash-Pikachu

Well-Known Member
If we evaluate current feats, it'd be Incineroar. Going up against Kikui's ace exceeds beating pokemon that are on par with the Elite 4 at best. If we upscale their accomplishments and keep them relative to Ash's level based on portrayal, I would assume they would be relatively equal with Incineroar having a slight edge because Incineroar is part of Ash's team that is indicative of his growth as a Champion level trainer. But that's my opinion.
 

Damerdal

[Dam]n h[er] Gan[dal]f!
Thing is, Snorlax literally does not have a bad performance. It always earned at least 1 win in a battle.

It tanked so much against Greta's Hariyama and Medicham, and Greta is a Frontier Brain.

Before SM, it was almost universally considered Ash's #6/#7 to round out his best team (Pikachu, Charizard, Greninja, Sceptile, Infernape, Snorlax/Krookodile).

I imagine Snorlax would also be the beneficiary of JN upscaling (or superior battler thanks to being under the command of the best trainer in the world).
 

JustAStatistic

Super Casual Trainer
I'd give the edge to Incineroar, because:

1) I consider it beating Kukui's Incineroar + Venusaur as a Torracat to be slightly more impressive than Snorlax beating Hariyama + Medicham.

2) Ash's Incineroar is (probably) stronger than it was a Torracat.

2) Snorlax almost certainly does not have 6 moves anymore.

3) Incineroar has the benefit of a Z-move (because sadly I don't see any Pokémon outside the SM team being allowed to use a Z-move).
 
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Damerdal

[Dam]n h[er] Gan[dal]f!
I'd give the edge to Incineroar, because:

1) I consider it beating Kukui's Incineroar + Venusaur as a Torracat to be slightly more impressive than Snorlax beating Hariyama + Medicham.


Torracat had prior battling experience against Incineroar, and Incineroar later took damage/expended effort to defeat Lycanroc and Melmetal before Torracat finished the job. As for Venusaur, Torracat had that absorbed fire on top of having a 2x type-advantage.

Compare that to Snorlax, who's 2x weak to Fighting-types, and that makes what it did against a Fighting-type specialist Frontier Brain's two Pokemon even more impressive.
 

Ryker101

Well-Known Member
Idk honestly it’s hard to gauge Incineroar’s strength bc it hasn’t battled yet. Not to mention its battle style is completely different to Torracat’s since it can’t rely on speed anymore. I can imagine Ash would struggle to use it too, at least he’d take some time to adapt. Power wise it would be stronger than its blast burn powerup. So if Torracat won with that + some help then maybe he could beat Kukui’s Incineroar 1v1?

So that’s ~E4 tier imo but I reckon frontier brains are above that. Might go with Snorlax on this one then. Especially if it solo’d 2 mons it was weak to
 
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