Who is Stronger Base Greninja, Ash's Infernape (Blaze activated), Mega-Lucario?

[Ragnarok4]

In my opinion, Mega-Lucario, what do you think?

 

[Pokegirl Fan~]

Base Greninja>Infernape (as of right now)>mega Lucario

 

[DayQuil95]

It's funny because all of them have already fought, or in Lucario's case will fight, a Charizard.

 

[Ignition]

It's funny because all of them have already fought, or in Lucario's case will fight, a Charizard.

Charizard is the trial of fate for any shillmon. Even if you lose, you’re granted into its club.

 

[JustAStatistic]

Ash-Greninja > Mega Lucario >= Greninja = Blaze Infernape > Infernape = Lucario

The impression I got from the latest episode was that Base Greninja is stronger than Base Lucario and about even with Mega Lucario, but I gave Lucario the overall advantage because it's currently active while Greninja is weeding Kalos.

I'm also being generous with Infernape, considering Blaze Infernape in DP (when we last saw it) was upper E4 at best and Lucario will likely beat a Champion tier next episode.

IMO, both Greninja and Infernape are the most deserving for returns in the M8, to star against Alain and Cynthia respectively.

 

[cricketlaxwolvesbandy]

Ash-Greninja>Blaze Infernape>Base Greninja>Mega Lucario>Base Infernape>Base Lucario
This is coming from someone who seems to (from other peoples perspective) disrespect or downplay Greninja’s strength

 

[Ragnarok4]

IMO, both Greninja and Infernape are the most deserving for returns in the M8, to star against Alain and Cynthia respectively.

Bruh, and Charizard?

 

[JustAStatistic]

Bruh, and Charizard?

If Ash fought Lance, Charizard would be my pick for that battle.

I really wish the M8 had more time, but we've already got the November deadline.

 

[DayQuil95]

Bruh, and Charizard?

It's kinda weird how I've barely been seeing people mention the possibility of Charizard returning.

 

[JustAStatistic]

It's kinda weird how I've barely been seeing people mention the possibility of Charizard returning.

Who would Charizard even fight against? Team JN has Leon to themselves, Infernape is the most likely to star against Cynthia, Greninja deserves the Alain win, and most people would agree that we're not getting more than three battles for Ash.

Do people really want Charizard to come back and play second fiddle to Greninja or Infernape, or job to make a Team JN member look stronger?

 

[DayQuil95]

Who would Charizard even fight against? Team JN has Leon to themselves, Infernape is the most likely to star against Cynthia, Greninja deserves the Alain win, and most people would agree that we're not getting more than three battles for Ash.

Do people really want Charizard to come back and play second fiddle to Greninja or Infernape, or job to make a Team JN member look stronger?

Depending on how a fight is choreographed like, it's still possible for two aces to star in a fight against the same opponent. Charizard could take on the likes of Kommo-O for instance, which they could hype as being proportionate to Garchomp in strength, while Infernape takes on the main treat, or vice-versa, it would still be respectful for both of them.

 

[Aryash Bajaj]

Depending on how a fight is choreographed like, it's still possible for two aces to star in a fight against the same opponent. Charizard could take on the likes of Kommo-O for instance, which they could hype as being proportionate to Garchomp in strength, while Infernape takes on the main treat, or vice-versa, it would still be respectful for both of them.

It would still be the weakest of the three Charizard if he appears.

Would not fit well with him training in Charicific valley all this time to become the strongest Charizard.

 

[DayQuil95]

It would still be the weakest of the three Charizard if he appears.

Would not fit well with him training in Charicific valley all this time to become the strongest Charizard.

One is a mega evolution by a trainer that mostly focused it to fight some of the strongest trainers in his region, and quite possibly the world, the other is a Gigantamax by the world's strongest trainer, ofc he'd be weaker than Leon's, in no way it would make sense to be stronger, only EOS Pikachu with Z-Move should be comparable.
Charizard would be realistically fighting and beating a Champion Ace level Mon which could very well match up to others in base form, it wouldn't be anything sort of impressive for him, mainly when it's the only Charizard in Masters 8 fighting solely in base form without relying on Mega Evolution or Gigantamax.

 

[Xuxuba]

Base-Greninja, mainly because the latest episode has shown he became less reliant on his transformation. Mega Lucario is more powerful, but he takes far too long to charge his strongest attacks, making it easy for Greninja to dodge. M. Lucario also lacks in experience. Meanwhile, Blaze Infernape is probably more agile than Mega Lucario, but not as much as Greninja, and in order to activate Blaze Infernape'd have to take damage first, so by that point it wouldn't take as many hits to defeat him. On top of that, Infernape is mostly a close-combat opponent, while water shuriken is a ranged attack and super-effective, so it'd be really hard for him to counter that.

That said, once M. Lucario gets more experience, i think he'd be able to compensate his lack of agility. And if Ash was able to come up with a counter for water shuriken, Infernape might be able to defeat Base-Greninja.

 

[SerGoldenhandtheJust]

If it was Ash-Greninja Id say he easily takes the cake
Rn id say its Blazenape tho
We havent even seen it in action and base infernape only battled Moltres a bit and wasnt defeated earlier
Plus if Infernape beats Cynthia's garchomp, id say thats more impressive then Greninja defeating MCX

 

[Pokegirl Fan~]

Charizard>Sceptile>base Greninja>Ash Greninja>Blaze activated Infernape>mega Lucario>Infernape>Lucario

 

[cricketlaxwolvesbandy]

Charizard>Sceptile>base Greninja>Ash Greninja>Blaze activated Infernape>mega Lucario>Infernape>Lucario

eats popcorn
Base Greninja is better than Ash-Greninja? Explain

 

[Pokegirl Fan~]

eats popcorn
Base Greninja is better than Ash-Greninja? Explain

I wasn't impressed with its feats, especially since it jobbed alot. Lol.
And regular Greninja seems way stronger now.

 

[Ragnarok4]

base Greninja>Ash Greninja

omg it makes sense, imagine something like Real Madrid-Ash, this team would never win the Spain League.

So the problem is actually Ash's form, god I hope that the already confirmed Goh-Greninja is not jobbed

 

[Blood Red]

Base Greninja. Infernape seems to have stagnated (which is incredibly unfortunate) and it needed to be in the red to even HAVE that powerup in the first place. Mega Lucario is strong, but I'd still give the edge to base Greninja.