CabochonJaw
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Hating Iris, loving Iris, whatever we have to do to keep her and/or her catchphrase from coming back, I'll do it. Besides, she's just one pokegirl. Not all of the pokegirls can be great.
Yes, she would, and people like @VoltTacklingPika have given very detailed explanations throughout this thread about why just that one phrase mattered so much, which you have chosen to blatantly ignore for your ridiculous fanservice argument, which comes across as you just making up something to complain about, for the purpose of taking the SJW stance.I'm not really sure, if the catch phrase is really the big problem with. I mean, if she didn't had this, would she be more liked by the fans. I doubt it.
Sorry to say but simply bringing up race in a conversation doesn't equate to taking a "SJW" stance. I really wish that word would die out because it's over killed at this point.Yes, she would, and people like @VoltTacklingPika have given very detailed explanations throughout this thread about why just that one phrase mattered so much, which you have chosen to blatantly ignore for your ridiculous fanservice argument, which comes across as you just making up something to complain about, for the purpose of taking the SJW stance.
I wasn't going to mention him bringing up race, but that was a whole other issue with slapstick-olivia's post lmao. Wasn't a great idea to bring up Iris being black as an example of her "unattractiveness". Talk about unfortunate implications. Yikes =(Sorry to say but simply bringing up race in a conversation doesn't equate to taking a "SJW" stance. I really wish that word would die out because it's over killed at this point.
I just assumed they were saying a good proportion of America (or Japan I guess) prefer European standards of beauty over African. It was definitely something that could of been worded better but I don’t think they meant “Iris is ugly because she’s black” you get me? However I prefer to keep race out of these types of arguments because it always turn ugly.I wasn't going to mention him bringing up race, but that was a whole other issue with slapstick-olivia's post lmao. Wasn't a great idea to bring up Iris being black as an example of her "unattractiveness". Talk about unfortunate implications. Yikes =(
But ditto on wanting the term SJW to die off
I would have assumed that too if this thread wasn't specifically asking why the general opinion on *SPPF* is negative towards Iris. Y'know, a forum that can be accessed internationally where not everyone is American or Japanese and most people's locations are anonymous. The question given in this thread wasn't about America or JapanI just assumed they were saying a good proportion of America (or Japan I guess) prefer European standards of beauty over African. It was definitely something that could of been worded better but I don’t think they meant “Iris is ugly because she’s black” you get me? However I prefer to keep race out of these types of arguments because it always turn ugly.
Everyone pretty much hit it, but I'm going to give my reasons as to why I dislike (note that it's not hate) Iris. There's no hidden meaning to what I say but think what you will:
*The infamous "you're such a kid" catchphrase. It's not the teasing as I'm used to that type of banter irl. It's how it's basically their entire dynamic. There's no "Huh, he's actually much more capable than I thought" moment that sticks. I understand the hypocrisy in another child calling a child a kid (along with the common "girl thinks she's more mature than her male peers" trope) but it's annoying. At least with the previous PokéGirls they showed enough faith in Ash & vice versa to show they're friends. Iris's snide comments don't really make BW funnier: that belongs to Cilan's e v a l u a t i o n s.
One thing I do find odd is people say Ash and Iris bantered like Ash/Misty....but...they really didn't. Ash usually didn't respond to Iris teasing him at all.
If you want to see Ash banter with a pokegirl after Misty, go watch Ash/May's arguments or a few of Ash/Dawn's. In fact I'm pretty sure Ash and May did the most amount of bickering of any of the girls after Misty. All the other girls he's either too nice around or he just ignores.
I really got to question what episodes were people watching. I strongly remember episodes where Ash clapped back on Iris. This narrative that Ash was just some punching bag during BW is odd, especially when you have people glamorizing MistyxAsh like the girl wasn’t flat out using objects on him. When I have time I’ll edit this and provide moments I can rememberAnd that’s what makes their dynamic so strange. Ash and Misty enjoyed roasting each other which was usually funny for the audience, but with Ash ignoring Iris it came off as awkward.
I don’t hate Iris though. I actually enjoyed her interactions with Cilan. I just think out of all Ash’s female companions, his interactions with Iris were lacking the most and since Ash is the star of the show that can definitely have a huge effect on people’s opinion of Iris.
I don’t think she deserves all the hate she gets at all though. The only character I’ve ever found to be that annoying is Max.
I really got to question what episodes were people watching. I strongly remember episodes where Ash clapped back on Iris. This narrative that Ash was just some punching bag during BW is odd, especially when you have people glamorizing MistyxAsh like the girl wasn’t flat out using objects on him. When I have time I’ll edit this and provide moments I can remember
I really got to question what episodes were people watching. I strongly remember episodes where Ash clapped back on Iris. This narrative that Ash was just some punching bag during BW is odd, especially when you have people glamorizing MistyxAsh like the girl wasn’t flat out using objects on him. When I have time I’ll edit this and provide moments I can remember
I also find it telling how people throw a fit here over people claiming a crush made up most of a certain character but can’t separate a 4 word phrase from Iris’
That was directed towards your “lack of reponse” claim. I’d also like to see the episode Brock punched Misty maliciously. You can’t say “people are too sensitive to appreciate comedy” because A. What’s “comedic” is subjective and B. How are you gonna defend Misty slapping and hitting Ash but have a problem with Ash not reacting to a small tease he never took that serious?I literally mentioned nothing about her catch phrase. And Misty wasn’t the only one who used objects in OS. Brock even punched Misty in an episode and I don’t see anyone complaining about that. Misty wasn’t the only person who acted like that in OS, pretty much the whole cast did. I guess now a days people are too sensitive to appreciate the comedy, everything has to be all sugar spice and everything nice I suppose. I never mentioned having a problem with how Iris acted towards Ash, my problem is responses, or lack of.
That was directed towards your “lack of reponse” claim. I’d also like to see the episode Brock punched Misty maliciously. You can’t say “people are too sensitive to appreciate comedy” because A. What’s “comedic” is subjective and B. How are you gonna defend Misty slapping and hitting Ash but have a problem with Ash not reacting to a small tease he never took that serious?