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Why did Axew suddenly forget it wanted to evolve?

Discussion in 'Pokémon Animé Discussion' started by matt0044, Mar 14, 2018.

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  1. matt0044

    matt0044 Well-Known Member

    Well, that's Writing 101: you establish something and follow up on it. Why was Ash dreaming of Zekrom? Why has Axew not evolved over the course of the whole BW series period when he dreamed of doing so and was not adverse to it like Piplup?
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  2. AshxSatoshi

    AshxSatoshi Ice Aurelia

    Well that and they’ll use anything and everything to hate on Iris. Out of all the things that don’t make sense in the anime people choose to be the most outraged over that.
  3. AznKei

    AznKei Badass girls saving their boyfriends. XD

    They'll hate everything on everyone, not only on Iris. This is a case where the producers/writers and some fans are having conflicting views. Some fans wanted the characters having powerful teams and final state evolutions are a good way to gauge their powers. They aren't interested about cute and marketable Pokemons.
  4. Yukki

    Yukki ___


    They pull stuff like this all the time.

    Why are people always singling out BW?
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  5. matt0044

    matt0044 Well-Known Member

    People are keen to question the GS Ball. It's not just BW here and it's not like this isn't a question worth discussing. Why should we just be "okay" with writing errors?
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  6. Navin

    Navin MALDREAD

    The dream scene is more 'realistic' and because Iris's goal is to become a Dragon-type master, people assumed it was foreshadowing that Axew would evolve across the course of the BW. Ah well, the anime has done plenty of other stuff like this before as you said.
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  7. pokedigijedi

    pokedigijedi Saiyan Jedi

    Because the writer's like to sacrifice plot and development for marketing
  8. Xenon Blue

    Xenon Blue No Hard Feelings

    Axew became too marketable, so instead of developing it all the way to a Haxorus, Iris instead was handed a fully-evolved Dragonite on a silver platter. Would have maybe made more sense for her to catch a Deino early on to do what Axew couldn't.
  9. Leonhart

    Leonhart Imagineer

    I agree, minus the silver platter line. She captured Kairyu and had to work to get Kairyu to obey her, so it's not as if he was handed to her without her putting in some work.
  10. LilligantLewis

    LilligantLewis primarina donna

    Oh yeah plans definitely changed during the course of BW lol, as we most clearly saw when BW2 became a thing.
    To clarify the animation thing, they meant it was hard to animate constantly, not just once. It's an out-of-ball Pokémon meaning it would have to constantly appear all the time throughout every episode.

    Also, @Yukki , it's not just that one dream. Iris mentioned to Ash that her goal was to fully evolve Axew up to a Haxorus. As someone said earlier this thread, it would have actually been really good for Axew to pull a Piplup, and to have an arc where Iris has to come to terms with it. Unlike Dawn, it would be a bigger deal for Iris to let go of that since it was her goal.
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  11. Yukidoh

    Yukidoh Active Member

    Did Iris ever actually state that? I know that she was given an Axew to raise into Haxorus, but I don't recall Iris or Axew ever showing strong desire for Axew to evolve.
  12. MidnightMelody

    MidnightMelody Hopeful for Gen 8

    I'd laugh if Iris came back with it fully evolved.
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  13. Lord Trollbias

    Lord Trollbias Y'all Salty Bishes

    I still don't see how Axew's lack of evolution meant it has forgotten its desire to evolve. Yeah there are cases in the anime where Pokemon have actively refused or resisted evolution (Ash's Pikachu and Bulbasaur) but Axew has never been put in said situation to begin with.
    And evolution in the anime is treated differently from in the games. We've seen Pokemon with tons of battle experience and prowess (Ash's Buizel for example) stay unevolved and we've seen Pokemon that barely do anything evolve. Its more of a situational thing where what triggers evolution can vary from reaction to dangerous situations to just flatout I'm evolving now for...reasons.
    So I fail to see how Axew's lack of evolution can be used to reflect back on him or Iris when the conditions for an evolution trigger for its species in the anime are unknown to begin with.
    Also out of universe Axew is cute and marketable and Fraxure and Haxorus are a pain to animate
    Last edited: Mar 27, 2018
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  14. Yukidoh

    Yukidoh Active Member

    It is also amusing since normally it is expected that goals/dreams of characters in this anime never come true within the series they're in, but suddenly it is such a big deal that Axew didn't evolve. How dare they not fulfill that goal/dream? :rolleyes:
  15. LilligantLewis

    LilligantLewis primarina donna

    Evolution is a much simpler goal than winning leagues, Grand Festivals, and Master Class Showcases.

    A huge number of main characters' party Pokémon have evolved over the years, without stating evolution to even be a goal. It was such a minor thing in the grand scheme of things when all those Pokémon evolved.

    This one time, a Pokémon actually has a goal to evolve, which is the simplest goal of all, and one that soo many Pokémon have done before. And then it doesn't? You're acting like this "goal/dream" is as hard as winning one of those competitions, which no main characters have done. This is something that a huge number of Pokémon have done.
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  16. Yukidoh

    Yukidoh Active Member

    That's cool and all, but Axew is a typical mascot Pokemon so it never had a chance of evolving in the first place.

    See, this is where you're, once again, taking a single random dream Axew had and treating it like this massive ambition Axew supposedly had. If Axew had any ambitions in this anime, it was to master Dragon Rage, for example. A goal it had in mind and consciously worked towards achieving with Iris.


    The narrative never implied Axew wanted to evolve. (unless you can point out an episode where it does)
    The narrative never implied Iris was eager to evolve Axew. (unless you can point out an episode where she is)
  17. LilligantLewis

    LilligantLewis primarina donna

    I'll have to rewatch the show frankly, but I remember Iris mentioning it to Ash.
  18. SinnohEevee

    SinnohEevee Well-Known Member

    He wasn't evolved during Iris' special.
  19. Navin

    Navin MALDREAD

    At the end of the day, I think most people would have preferred that Axew evolved, because it would have been fitting in the grand scheme of her wanting to become a Dragon-type master. It just would have been narratively satisfying if it was her Haxorus drawing/defeating Drayden's.

    I also wish Iris' team was just all Dragons, or more towards her in-game team (Archeops instead of Excadrill).
  20. AshxSatoshi

    AshxSatoshi Ice Aurelia

    Except Excadrill made sense considering he’s a Steel type and could defend Iris team against Ice Types (and later Fairy Types). Archeops would of just made her Ice weakness even worse. Also I might be a minority but her Haxorus/Fraxure tieing with Drayden’s wouldn’t of been satisfying since it was already established that the battle with Dradyen’s Haxorus damaged Iris and EXCADRILL’s relationship. It was only right he got to battle Drayden’s Haxorus.
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