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Why did Malva change sides?
- Thread starter Jeal
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Was she really aware, though?
I got the impression that while Malva knew that Lysandre was grooming Alain for his purposes and certainly had this vision of seeing the world better, I don't think she ever actually knew just what Lysandre was planning overall. She wanted to believe in a better future, which Lysandre was promising, but it seemed that very few people actually knew the extent that Lysandre was willing to go to. Once that was revealed, Malva couldn't stand by and let it happen, even if she was partially complicit in it.
I got the impression that while Malva knew that Lysandre was grooming Alain for his purposes and certainly had this vision of seeing the world better, I don't think she ever actually knew just what Lysandre was planning overall. She wanted to believe in a better future, which Lysandre was promising, but it seemed that very few people actually knew the extent that Lysandre was willing to go to. Once that was revealed, Malva couldn't stand by and let it happen, even if she was partially complicit in it.
AuraChannelerChris
Easygoing Luxray.
Because the anime staff winced at how openly antagonistic she was to the player in the games that they wanted to make her absolutely boring.
04n70n10
Well-Known Member
Yep, mission accomplished, Malva in the end was completely useless/boring in the team flare arc (save only just for ME Act IV).
Really, what was the point... I repeat myself, at the top of prism tower a 2vs2 match (Malva and Lysandre vs Ash and Alain) It would have been more """"fair"""" and "balanced". No, basically Lysandre was overwhelmed by Ash and Alain (2 mons vs 2 high leveled FULL teams........................), and without even using directly Z-2 in battle.... sigh!
AznKei
Dawn & Chloe by ddangbi
I remembered a guy doing Pokemon demotivational posters at DeviantArt, thought about the idea about Malva fighting against Serena and he truly despised the idea having the latter win their battle.
Pokegirl Fan~
Liko>>>>>Ash
I would have preferred if they kept Malva as an antagonist instead of switching sides for some reason.
There would be no possible way of Serena winning that wouldn't come off as a DEM
AznKei
Dawn & Chloe by ddangbi
Yeah, it doesn't help with the battle records Serena had prior to the Team Flare arc and there's no feud history between the two.
I would like to see Malva bringing salt at Serena like "Your mother was an impressive Rhyhorn racer, but you're just a crybaby. Did you change that cool Rhyhorn racing goal into that boring beauty pageant show?", and Serena tries to prove her wrong.
ash&charizardfan
Humans are tools
Forget serena all the pokegirls would be one shotted by E4 trainer like malvia.
FlygontheRavager
#1 Pokémon Anime Fan!
Lysandre needed no help. His Mega Gyarados came close to singlehandedly defeating everyone there. Without Malva, Ash and Alain may very well have lost.
AznKei
Dawn & Chloe by ddangbi
Even if Malva could defeat Serena, I would still like to see Malva being impressed at Serena determination to keep going despite the odds against her or even having her dealing with one of the Scientists, than having her dealing with the Team Flare grunts and their Pokemons who didn't flinch at all by her combined Pokemon attacks until Steven took care of everything. At the time, I was just annoyed at the producers on how they make Serena's unsatisfying outcomes like a trend for her.
Jeal
Well-Known Member
For me, Serena battling one of the scientists would be the ideal. She should start losing, and so win by strategy.
04n70n10
Well-Known Member
I mean, It's not really a matter of raw power (writers can do with Mega Gyarados whatever they want, strong, normal, in line with the others, etc.) but a matter of (I don't know better words) "opportunity" with Malva. A good missed opportunity. And yes, more difficult for Ash and Alain to win this battle, so a more interesting battle in my book, an elite4 along with a Boss vs the twerps it's not something you see very often. Alain defeated Malva some time before, so this "hypotetical" battle would be sufficiently "open".
AuraChannelerChris
Easygoing Luxray.
She's only good at strategy when she literally has to dress up as Ash and copy the same tactics he uses with Pikachu.
Jeal
Well-Known Member
It's a valid form. Ash was her mentor, after all.
shoz999
Back when Tigers used to smoke.
Malva from Pokemon Adventures made a lot more sense. She wasn't just loyal to Lysandre but it's even hinted she had unrequited love for the man or at least just really cares about his well-being because Malva in Pokemon Adventures is completely loyal to Lysandre, she listens to every word he says and Lysandre does have a lot of faith in her. Just how much faith does he have in her? He wants her to be the one to capture Yveltal, the Legendary Pokemon of Death. And like any E4 members, she's definitely one of the more OP trainers. However what really establishes to how much Malva is loyal to Lysandre is that Malva tries to save Lysandre from an very ironic fate and fails.
Whereas in the anime, I think part of the reason they made Malva to switch sides is simply to speed up the Team Flare plot, not drag it out, from the anime crew's POV, any longer because a 1 v 3 battle would be faster then a 2 v 2 battle on limited space in the skyscraper. I say this because the anime crew has mentioned how long these types of episodes take and apparently liked the freedom of SM's format.
On a side note, I just realize the Adventures manga could've been an excuse to put Lysandre and Malva in the Waifu/Husbando face-off lol if I had thought that earlier.
Whereas in the anime, I think part of the reason they made Malva to switch sides is simply to speed up the Team Flare plot, not drag it out, from the anime crew's POV, any longer because a 1 v 3 battle would be faster then a 2 v 2 battle on limited space in the skyscraper. I say this because the anime crew has mentioned how long these types of episodes take and apparently liked the freedom of SM's format.
On a side note, I just realize the Adventures manga could've been an excuse to put Lysandre and Malva in the Waifu/Husbando face-off lol if I had thought that earlier.
LilligantLewis
Bonnie stan
Alain didn't use his full team at all (in fact this exact plot point was the spawning point for another thread last year about whether or not they were even his or Flare's mons)
maybe it could come down to an audience vote
Not sure what you mean because in the TF arc they actually glorified Serena by showing her fighting from the helicopter and showing Mairin admiring her