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Why doesnt Serena get a special episode?

Discussion in 'Pokémon Animé Discussion' started by janejane6178, Apr 6, 2018.

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  1. AznKei

    AznKei Competing against players in Match Masters. XD

    ...Or maybe reduce the spotlights from Ash in favor to her, along with Clemont & Bonnie. I'm pretty sure strengthening her character & goal wouldn't be that hard. The question was more if the producers/writers were more willing to put more effort on her, which I would say no. They rather put more effort on Ash because he's the mascot of the show, is going to stay, along with Pikachu, for every series and it's easy to work on him since he's already established for a long time.
     
  2. Pokegirl Fan~

    Pokegirl Fan~ Ruler Of The Galaxy

    Honestly the part of her character that focused on anything other than her crush was the best part of her character and more memorable to me. The episodes that focused the least on her crush and more on her actual character were the better episodes of the series; episodes like XY53, 60, and 64 and when she won her first showcase competition. Any episodes that focuses on her crush were easily among the worst of the series imo, like that rocker Pikachu, date, dance, and the Rhyhorn racing episodes.

    Anyways I'd rather see something like a special that focuses on her character without Ash's involvement in any way. If she does return to the main series though, I can easily see her having interesting and entertaining character interactions with the rest of the group. That's pretty much what happened with Dawn in BW.
     
    Last edited: Jun 26, 2018
  3. Slapstick-Olivia

    Slapstick-Olivia Well-Known Member

    Sure, but can you really blame the writers for this. After all, Ash is the main character of your show, and as a main character he kinda has to be in the spotlight. Spongebob Squarepants for example is also the main character of his show and their for he has to be the focus. But that doesn't mean, that side characters can't also have their spotlight. Serena actually had more focused of her own compare to Misty, believe it or not, but still Misty actually could offer more as a character. Not much, but still more than Serena.

    Sure, but Dawn was already a very layered character. Seeing her interacting so good with Iris was actually not that surprising, at least for me. Seeing Serena on the other hand interacting on the same level like Iris and Dawn is kinda hard for me to believe, because Serena was written as a very shy and restrained character.

    I actually can't see her interacting with some one like May, Dawn, Brock, Lillie and especially not with someone who is a huge contrast to her like with Misty and Iris. If they wold do that, than Serena will fill like a completely new character for some people. And if this is the case, do we really need to have a Serena Special? I mean, we can try... but... I'm not 100% if this could work.
     
  4. Satomine Night

    Satomine Night The Power of Z!

    The shipping might have helped Serena's popularity, but there is a lot more to her than that. Serena was the first leading female character who started out on her journey truly having no idea what she wanted to do. (May might not have started out knowing she wanted to be a Coordinator, but she still had a goal—to travel and see the world.) Serena left home to escape. Part of her character growth was discovering what she wanted to do. IMHO, that not only made her memorable, but also made her relatable, as there are a lot of people out there who go on a journey (literally or metaphorically) to discover their passions.

    You can't really ding Serena for her lack of conflict with the other characters when there was so little conflict among the main cast. If you are going to ding her for the lack of conflict, then you are going to have to ding Ash, Clemont, and Bonnie, too.
     
  5. AshxSatoshi

    AshxSatoshi Ice Aurelia

    In my opinion if you’re going to consider May wanting to travel and see the world as a goal, you might as well consider Serena journeying to give Ash his rag back and getting out the house as goals as well. It’s not like Serena just left just to discover herself, she left with the intent of meeting Ash.
     
  6. Satomine Night

    Satomine Night The Power of Z!

    Perhaps I shouldn't have used the word "goal" when talking about May. May left home knowing what she wanted to do. Aside from meeting Ash, Serena had no idea what she wanted to do, even though she went through the trouble of visiting Professor Sycamore and choosing her starter Pokémon. My point was that Serena ventured on a journey to find her goal, and that made her memorable and relatable.
     
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  7. AshxSatoshi

    AshxSatoshi Ice Aurelia

    Okay understood.
     
  8. Leonhart

    Leonhart Well-Known Member

    She definitely could've received more proper development if Satoshi's screen-time during XY hadn't been so excessive, which is what worries me about her plausibly appearing in SM; she might suffer the same fate given how much attention Satoshi still gets.
     
  9. AznKei

    AznKei Competing against players in Match Masters. XD

    Yes! I can blame the producers/writers for this. Pokemon is right now the most profitable franchise in the world, so the way they market it changed compared when it came out. Seeing Ash in the recent movies, without the SM companions, despite being in the alternate universe, are pretty telling to me which character they wanted to priotize the most. And unlike other main characters from other franchises, I'm not interested to get invested to a character where he's certain he's going to lose in every series. I might be more forgiving about him on OS, because he was a noob trying to improve himself, unlike how he was depicted in XY(Z).

    I'm sorry to have such sentiment, but ever since XY(Z) ended, it was clear to me that they were going to reinforce the "status quo" further than before and carrying it over to SM as well, just like people were complaining why the classmates weren't doing much. So I made a fan project, to show that we can make her goal interesting without Ash influence. It didn't matter to me whether it was canon or not, I was pretty much done to the producers/writers BS excuses whenever there's issues on how they wrote her. To make clear to the thread question, yes I would like to see her getting a special episode as long it's focused on her professional goals more than Ash. But if they can't do it, that's too bad I guess. I was already happy & proud of my fan project, so I'm not really bothered what they were going to do to her and moved on.
     
  10. Jeal

    Jeal Well-Known Member

    Can we stop talking about as if the Serena's little screentime was because the focus in Ash? The writers had a lot of episodes to focus in both. 140 episodes. Several fillers could have been episodes focused on the development of Serena. They just did not want to focus on her for some reason, that's all.

    XY047- first capture
    XY060 - first showcase. Loss
    XY-63 - second capture
    XY071 - second showcase. Win
    XY072 - third capture
    XY084 - third showcase. Loss
    XY096 - fourth showcase. Loss
    XY0108 - fifth showcase. Win
    XY115- sixth showcase. Win
    XY120-122 - Master Class
     
  11. Slapstick-Olivia

    Slapstick-Olivia Well-Known Member

    Wait... she only got twelve focused episodes for her own? I always thought there where more. At least 20. Well, at least she had some episodes and doesn't ended up like Mallow. Oh, poor, sweet little Mallow.... the writers really have no idea what to do with you...
     
    Last edited: Jun 26, 2018
  12. Jeal

    Jeal Well-Known Member

    No, my post shows how they could have focused more on her. Making her lose more showcases and giving her more pokémon. I think Serena's treatment is worse because she is the female player character.
     
  13. Epicocity

    Epicocity Well-Known Member

    Outside of the fact that the first 2-3 episodes were pretty evenly split between Serena and Ash's group (and the same can apply to the Flare arc), Serena received no less than 21 focus episodes. That's 1/7 of the series.
     
  14. AshxSatoshi

    AshxSatoshi Ice Aurelia

    Not to say she was only introduced for the crush but I truly believe Showcases were a side thought and wasn’t the writers original plan. And you can tell by how rushed it all was.
     
  15. Jangobadass

    Jangobadass The Coolest Character int he Worst Series

    And heck, we still have the same problem with the current companions. It even feels a little worse this time...<_<
     
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  16. Jeal

    Jeal Well-Known Member

    I think they did not know what to do with her, because of the lack of something like the contests in XY. Even so, the way they treated her after she became a performer shows they did not want to focus on her like May and Dawn. The least they should have done was to have given her one more Pokemon and more episodes on showcases.
     
  17. DatsRight

    DatsRight Well-Known Member

    To tell you the truth, Ash wasn't really that developed as a character in XY, most of his focus episodes focused more on his Pokemon or his actual progression. His TEAM were the most dynamic but not Ash himself. In that sense it's hard to really say Ash stole the show outside the action/battle area, and even there usually at least TWO of the twerps were battling (and what importance do you really steal taking over for some TR filler battle anyway?).

    SM Ash has more personality focus, but even then, a lot of episodes aren't actually focused around him specifically, just his team, again, is more dynamic. Ash consistently makes better use of the screen time, however small, to develop his Pokemon.

    In both XY and SM there was plenty of non-Ash screen time to focus and develop the other characters that usually just ended up filler.
     
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  18. Jeal

    Jeal Well-Known Member

    One of the biggest problems of this anime is that the writers don't know use the amount of episodes of a saga. So many fillers that could be plot episodes. How wonderful would be a league of 10-12 episodes? Gym battles/contests/showcases of 2 episodes? Arcs like tournaments of 4 episodes? Villain team arcs finales of 7-9 episodes?
     
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  19. horrahforyou

    horrahforyou Pokemon and Kamen Rider is life

    What if Serena learns Mega Evolution plus one or two Pokemon who is capable of Mega Evolving?
    This would be a plus for her
     
  20. AznKei

    AznKei Competing against players in Match Masters. XD

    I would have prefered the Z-moves more, as they give them more flexibilities for flashy moves shown in the Pokemon Showcases/Contests, without being forced to have specific mega evolved enable Pokemons.
     
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