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Why is Ash not "allowed" to win?

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Dancing Charmander

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I'd like to preface by saying I watch the anime very rarely and even then it's mostly older episodes, so maybe I'm missing something, but people seem to say Ash isn't "allowed" to win at the Pokemon League because then his story has to end. Why is this? Why does winning a Pokemon League tournament mean he's accomplished his goal to be a Pokemon Master and can't keep setting out on new adventures in new regions?
 
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Lorde

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Dancing Charmander said:
I'd like to preface by saying I watch the anime very rarely and even then it's mostly older episodes, so maybe I'm missing something, but people seem to say Ash isn't "allowed" to win at the Pokemon League because then his story has to end. Why is this? Why does winning a Pokemon League tournament mean he's accomplished his goal to be a Pokemon Master and can't keep setting out on new adventures in new regions?
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Well, him winning a League would elevate him and put him one step closer to his dream, but then he'd likely have to regress in the next saga to follow the show's theme, which would be a major step back. Hence why I've never cared for his League positions.
 
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Red and Blue

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Lorde said:
Well, him winning a League would elevate him and put him one step closer to his dream, but then he'd likely have to regress in the next saga to follow the show's theme, which would be a major step back. Hence why I've never cared for his League positions.
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Full agreement. How high he places is irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. He could place second in the Kalos League and it won't mean a damn thing since the writers will never let him win a league.
 
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LizardonX

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The only case of blatant writer interference was tobias at sinnoh since I'm sure someone tearing the whole region up with darkrai would be important enough for ash and co to know about in advance.

In all the other leagues it was simply that the better trainer won.

Except ritchie and that incompetent referee in kanto that was ash being put down by the system.
 
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An00bis

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I can just imagine how these boards will be when Ash gets his first loss in the next region after becoming League Champion.

The simple answer is that the way things work now are more convenient for the writers. Their main goal, above all else, is to market the latest and most relevant Pokemon so they can sell tons of Pokemon merchandise. For them it's more convenient to have Ash dump his previous regional team as quick as possible and high-tail it into the next new region they have to plug. He can't defend his title with brand new Pokemon so there's no point in him having the title.
 
Lord Trollbias

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An00bis said:
I can just imagine how these boards will be when Ash gets his first loss in the next region after becoming League Champion.

The simple answer is that the way things work now are more convenient for the writers. Their main goal, above all else, is to market the latest and most relevant Pokemon so they can sell tons of Pokemon merchandise. For them it's more convenient to have Ash dump his previous regional team as quick as possible and high-tail it into the next new region they have to plug. He can't defend his title with brand new Pokemon so there's no point in him having the title.
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He wouldn't have a title to defend unless he beat the Elite 4 and the Champion even if he won the rgional League.
 
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^exactly. Even if he won a league, he still has to conquer the E4 AND the champion afterwards.

At best I see him winning a league and then losing to Malva or something.
 
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An00bis

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... let me rephrase that.

Unless there are significant changes that come with becoming Champion I don't see any point in Ash winning a league.

Since any such changes would be detrimental to the main point of the anime (marketing) I don't see why they would allow it.

It's kind of like " what is the point? " for me.
 
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CyberCubed

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Ash should have won the Sinnoh league and then lost to Cynthia in the Champion league.

They regressed him in BW anyway, so why not let fans see a moment of glory before he was dumbed down?
 
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Lorde

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fawfulmark2 said:
At best I see him winning a league and then losing to Malva or something.
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What's the point of him making it that far just to lose? That's why I've never cared about Leagues in general; Ash winning one and then losing to the Elite Four would be a waste of time imho.
 
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LizardonX

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The difference between league champion and elite four is astronomically greater than the difference between fresh out the lab and league champion.
 
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nameman

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Lorde said:
What's the point of him making it that far just to lose? That's why I've never cared about Leagues in general; Ash winning one and then losing to the Elite Four would be a waste of time imho.
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Ash winning against an E4 member for the first time would be worth the appearance. However, the real problem with winning the League is actually the fact that what happens when he actually reaches the E4. He can't beat the Champion yet, no matter who it is.
 
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An00bis

Wicked Witch
Ash should have won the Sinnoh league and then lost to Cynthia in the Champion league.
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How long would a Champion League happen episode-wise? How long would they have to prolong plugging their newest games?
 
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nickdt

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Actually, a trainer cannot be a Champion of a Region he is not native, so Ash has to battle the whole Kanto league again and then the E4 before facing his Father for the Champion Title. But a Champion can Battle other champion, as Trip stated.
 
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majormanafemale

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The reason is Ash is stuck in permant journey till someone decodes he is no longer viable marketing icon or till series ended.
 
k6666

k6666

Pikachu Fan
cause if he left the replacement of him will be same reductive character as he is so no thank you
 
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Sephora

yes I'm back
I always wondered WHY people assume that the anime had to end if Ash won a league? Him winning a league does not automatically make him a pokemon master.

LizardonX said:
The only case of blatant writer interference was tobias at sinnoh since I'm sure someone tearing the whole region up with darkrai would be important enough for ash and co to know about in advance.

In all the other leagues it was simply that the better trainer won.
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*cough* Cameron *cough*
 
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LightningMaster95

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ash can just win the league and elite 4 + champion and in the next region they can make him battle trainers on tyson/harrison/alan level
 
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Janovy

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Because the show would end then.

The most Ash can reach in anime as it is now is the Pokemon League.

The Elite Four has been depicted as unbeatable and let's not even talk about Champions. So realistically, I could see Ash beating the Pokemon League but then I wouldn't see a point in his journey anymore. What's next? Another League? It would kinda be pointless, wouldn't it? They could perhaps get away with a timeskip and then have Ash challenge the Champion's League but that is highly unlikely to happen. In my opinion, they should allow Ash to win the League and have him continue his journey (off-screen) and introduce a new protagonist (with a different goal, pleasee)
 
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Wigger

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I feel like some point is missed. Does Elite 4 system really exist in the anime? The last time I remember, the league logic between games & anime is completely different. You do not challange with other Badgers in the games, despite you do not have to face with Elite 4 in the anime. You simply beat everyone you have matched and for the last time you would be challanged by champion. Not correct?
 
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