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why this isn't a reboot

Do you think Pokemon Best Wishes is a reboot?

  • yes

    Votes: 8 17.0%
  • no

    Votes: 39 83.0%

  • Total voters
    47
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BCVM22

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even though Ash have stuff from Sinnoh and been to Kanto,Johto and the Hoenn Leagues,does not mean that this isn't a reboot.
Um... no, all of that would serve as definitive proof - not that anyone really needed any - that this isn't a reboot.

As I estimate we've established about ten times in the past thirty posts or so, a reboot would entail a complete restart of the continuity. Which they have not done. What part of this do you fail/choose to not understand/accept?
 

might

Banned
It is pretty much clear that this is a reboot,since the 5 gen will only have new pokemon in the Isshu region,Ash and Pikachu being here does not mean that it isn't a reboot.
 

BCVM22

Well-Known Member
You continue to fall back to the same one argument, which in turn means absolutely nothing.

Just as the Pokémon anime exists to do in the first place, Best Wishes serves to promote a pair of video games that are less than two months old. Yes, as a promotional vehicle for those games, Best Wishes is going to focus on spotlighting the new Pokémon found therein. You know how much bearing that has on anything? None. That Best Wishes is doing nothing more than what the last three regional arcs have done at their outset, which is focus heavily on the new material from the new games the anime exists to promote, does not in the slightest brand it a reboot.

Your continued reliance on the same meaningless talking point - that's point, singular, because you don't actually have another argument - does nothing but further the fact that you don't have any argument here at all aside from your own inaccurate definition. You can continue to spout inaccuracies all you like and claim them as pillars of a debate. They are in fact not. The sooner you realize this, the better.

Pout, stomp your feet, hurl insults and demand I stop arguing all you like - it changes nothing. You've built an argument upon nothing but inaccuracies and refuse to support it further when your one talking point is disproven and torn down. This isn't even a debate anymore, not that it was at any point. It's nothing more than you repeating the same flawed argument over and over again in hopes that if you say it enough times, it will become accurate and relevant. At no point will it ever become either.
 

playerking

Sick of dealing with idiots.
Of course they have to reference those stuff because the fans will be asking about the information(Of course the writers care about their fans), I'm not saying it's a complete reboot because then he would be starting from a different region with nothing old being there. But it's the biggest start over(Reboot) we have seen.
 

BCVM22

Well-Known Member
A "start over" and a reboot are not tantamount to one another; using the two interchangably may be common, but that doesn't make it correct.
 

might

Banned
I see that you keep going with the same argument non stop and you are wrong again,the BW series is more then a start over thing that happen with AG and DP series,the BW series is a whole new reboot for the entire show,deal with it and stop arguing you know that you are not right at all.

The writers never did what the fans want them to do and that need to stop,the writers don't give a damn about what the fans think,because it is their show they will do what ever they want to.
 
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BCVM22

Well-Known Member
the BW series is more then a start over thing that happen with AG and DP series
No, it's pretty much the same. That you refuse to accept that is of no particular importance.

the BW series is a whole new reboot for the entire show
Except where it isn't for reasons stated over and over again repeatedly, and isn't it so funny that every time those reasons are pointed out to you, you pointedly ignore them and essentially begin pouting and demanding that people stop arguing with you on the matter?

Tell me, if Best Wishes is the reboot you claim it to be, what's your evidence that the last thirteen years of events are suddenly washed away and no longer canonical?

deal with it and stop arguing you know that you are not right at all.
Or I could continue this for as long as necessary.

The writers never did what the fans want them to do and that need to stop,the writers don't give a damn about what the fans think,because it is their show they will do what ever they want to.
Which, while true, is as irrelevant as your claim that the Pokémon make it a reboot. That the writers haven't opted to start a completely new continuity has absolutely nothing to do with the fans, it's simple intelligent storytelling. You don't completely wipe away that many years' worth of stories arbitrarily and so they did not, because there would be no good reason to do so.

You continue to dodge the point, change the subject, pout, whine, cry, cover your ears and go "LA LA LA LA LA" but not once have you actually made any attempt to actually support your case. You continue to howl at the moon, claiming "THIS IS A REBOOT STOP ARGUING WITH ME OR ELSE" despite repeated evidence to the contrary on every count. You are told the myriad of elements that clearly indicate Best Wishes is not a reboot and yet you continue to ignore any and all logic and reason.

In short, you do nothing but embarass yourself further at this point.
 

playerking

Sick of dealing with idiots.
Pretty much the same as the other start of the regions? Uh, no. It's not the same, Team Rocket are finally getting serious, after years. Brock isn't in the main cast. And after years nurse Joy, and Jessie have changed(No more chansey). And do you want to know why there is no Chansey because in Ishhu it is extreemly rare to find other Pokemon that aren't native, heck you probably can't find any.
 

BCVM22

Well-Known Member
And now you can explain how any of that is relevant to the big picture. None of those factors at all change the reality any, the reality being that Best Wishes is no more of a reboot than Johto, Hoenn or Sinnoh were. You can call it whatever you want and try and play the "well it's sort of a reboot because stuff is new!" game if you wish, but there is a factual, accurate defintion of "reboot" pertaining to fiction and Best Wishes does not match it.
 

playerking

Sick of dealing with idiots.
Seeing Joy and Jenny as recurring characters changes it. Team Rocket being an important part to the series changes it. Brock not being there changes it, because he was in every freaking season. There being no old Pokemon changes it because every other region including the 1st one has had Pokemon in that region that don't come from that region. Sure there are still a few a things that haven't changed and it isn't a complete reboot i will always call it a reboot unless all of those things i said changes throughout the course of Best Wishes.
 

BCVM22

Well-Known Member
And you can call it whatever you want. I can call a fish a bird if I really want; it doesn't make any sense or any difference. The fact remains that Best Wishes is not a reboot. Your personal definitions don't change that.
 

pokemon fan 132

Well-Known Member
Im amazed at sheer ignorance of some people actually thinking "how BW is reboot".In what way exactly?
Just like with each previous region past Johto we had:
-Ash leaving all his pokemon taking only PIkachu with him
-Female getting replaced by new one(unfortunately yet again)
-Characters getting new clothes
.Pikachu being reseted like he does at every start.
-.Joy and Jenny are same characters just with new looks.

Pretty much al of above things AG and DP did too.

What was different:
Pretty much only another companion being replaced(Brock)and at start none of older pokemon being seen though thats not entirely correct seing how Pikachu and Meowth are generation 1 pokemon being in BW.
Team Rocket taking their job more seriously with return of Giovanni doesnt make this reboot either.

Reboot as others already said would mean complete clean slate with no connections to past replacing all characters like Digimon or Yugioh did etc.

With current state of things writers changed little more than they did before but that doesnt mean all connections with past has been cut with prof.Oak and Dehlia still existing,Ash and TR being part of show aswell posibillity of other previous companions being seen again from story standpoint reasons existing like DAwn,May,Misty,Brock etc.

It just happened a lot earlier than expected. Who honestly believed May and Dawn wouldn't battle in a Contest? Seriously?

It was the people thinking Misty would meet Dawn that were totally pulling fanfiction.
Mays return was like fanfiction too.I remember people saying how there was no reason for her to come all the way to Sinnoh when she was in Johto being occupied with doing contests.
Writers simply invented whole WallaceCup thing to provide some reasoning behind her visit in DP.
Same could be done for Misty with writers pulling out some reason but they choosed not to.
 

playerking

Sick of dealing with idiots.
It might not be a reboot per se but it is the biggest start over to date. When was the last time we saw Brock as a main star? Before this series. When was the last time we saw the original Nurse Joy and Jenny? Before this series? When was the last time we saw Team Rocker being a Joke? Before this series.
 

Sabonea_Masukippa

Well-Known Member
It might not be a reboot per se but it is the biggest start over to date. When was the last time we saw Brock as a main star? Before this series. When was the last time we saw the original Nurse Joy and Jenny? Before this series? When was the last time we saw Team Rocker being a Joke? Before this series.
Yes, exactly. It's a start-over/refresh/new generation of games to advertise. Maybe more of the above than other series have been, but it's not a reboot under the definition of the term.
 

KyuubiKityune

lieks mudkipz
Oh god i think might is just trolling. stop feeding him, guys, just reading his comments make me want to facepalm so hard.
 

RickHoenn

Banned
No it's not a Rehash it's a reboot, a big one.
Don't wanna sound rude but do you know the definition of "REBOOT"? >_>, go look for a dictionary dude...

a good examples reboots could be Digimon 3, Yugioh GX...
 

TsukiMirage

Rikudou Master
It is pretty much clear that this is a reboot,since the 5 gen will only have new pokemon in the Isshu region,Ash and Pikachu being here does not mean that it isn't a reboot.
Advance and DP both showed pokemon from the older generations because in both the games those pokemon were also native to the region. Neither R/S and D/P were populated completely by new pokemon the way B/W are. Thus the reason the writers have made it a point to show that older generation pokemon are rarer. They will show up, Just not as soon as they did in the previous sagas.
 

charmander04

Active Member
Again, all those who say this is a reboot, it's not.

You acknowledge that the writers have acknowledged previous events in the series, namely Ash's adventures in previous regions, and Team Rocket capturing the Pokemon they had while traveling in Sinnoh. These are the two main points. You acknowledge this, but still call it a reboot, but it's not. A more fitting term might be a refresh, but in terms of media, such as comic books, television, and movies, a reboot means forgetting all past events. As pointed out, this has been done many times, such as Batman Begins being a reboot of the 1989 Batman movie, the 2006 version of the Pink Panther being a reboot of the original Pink Panther series, and most recently the current version of Hawaii Five-O being a reboot of the 1968 series Hawaii Five-O. This happens all the time. Because they mention past events, it is, by definition, not a reboot.
 

KibaLG8

Well-Known Member
Dang BCVM22, it isn't a reboot, you should just let them think that it's a reboot. Not our fault they can't comprehend that.

95% of the people that have posted here say it's not a reboot. While 5% think it is..... what does this tell you? IT'S NOT A REBOOT!

This thread should have had a poll.XD
 
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