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[Wifi] That's right, I made another Wifi Team

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Prinny

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If you wanted steel support taking neutral fire hits,Heatproof Bronzong can be better than him
 
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Tbird

Nice shot, man
beshort123 said:
Like I said Empoleon cannot take a hit
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Just wanted to touch on this point slightly;

Jolly CB Haxorus Outrage vs 252 / 160 Bold Empoleon 36.8% - 43.5%.
Modest LO Hydreigon DMeteor vs 252 / 96 Bold Empoleon 31.5% - 37.1%
Modest LO Hydreigon Fire Blast vs 252 / 96 Bold Empoleon 44.1% - 51.6%
Jolly CS Chomp Earthquake vs 252 / 160 Bold Empoleon 74.7% - 88.7%
Timid Spex Latios Draco Meteor vs 252 / 96 Bold Empoleon 41.4% - 48.9%

Empoleon Ice Beam vs Garchomp 95% - 112.8%
Empoleon Ice Beam vs Jolly Mence 108.8% - 129.3%
Empoleon Ice Beam vs Flygon 119.6% - 140.9%
Empoleon Ice Beam vs MixNite 104% - 122.6%
Empoleon Ice Beam vs Hydreigon 49.8% - 59.2%
Empoleon Ice Beam vs Haxorus 68.3% - 80.5%
Empoleon Ice Beam vs Spex Latios 45.7% - 54.3%

Granted he might not be using his Empoleon what I'd say to be optimally, but Empoleon certainly can take a hit, and with Wish support it can be a brilliant check to the dragons.
 
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Fa7e

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Tbird

Nice shot, man
beshort123 said:
Did you guys just forget about the 16 other types!!!!!!!!!!!!! All i see are dragon types here!!!!!!!!!!!.
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The reason you use a steel is to keep dragon types in check but also:

Jolly CS Chomp Earthquake vs 252 / 160 Bold Empoleon 74.7% - 88.7%

you'd be hard pressed to find many pokemon that can take a STAB Super Effective EQ from a Garchomp. This means Empoleon can effectively Revenge Kill / Check Garchomps.
 
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SomeoneIGuess

?Hu Hsilaciryl
Heh, OK maybe I should have run some calcs on that first :p

After some thinking and a few messups matches, I've determined that Azumarril > Hitmontop despite having similar weaknesses to Cloyster. Firstly, it allows me to check Cloyster who otherwise can get past my team if properly built. Of course, I could simply EV Hitmontop for this purpose, but Azumarril is overall bulkier in some sense due to it's larger HP (Hitmontop has a chance to be KOed by +1 Icicle Spear and +2 Hydro Pump is an OHKO). Without Intimidate, which forces the removal of Technician, I get KOed by Icicle Spear fairly easily. Also he lacks sufficient power to 2 or even 3HKO Cloyster. Azumarril on the other hand, can handle Hydro Pumps, Razor Shells, Rock Blasts and Icicle Spears fairly easily, taking 86.63% at best, assuming Cloyster doesn't get lucky. Azumarril also has a much more offensive prowness (did I spell that right? If I didn't forget I said that. I said presence). Despite that, Hitmontop is still a relatively good Spinner, especially since a Third of my team is weak to Stealth Rocks.

OK times to bump and edit that post... later. Like in 4 Hours when I officially wake up.

Also I have to remember. Empoleon checks ScarfChomp. And most Hydreigon. And stuff. OK Empoleon counters Dragons that hasn't gotten any attack buffs.
 
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SomeoneIGuess

?Hu Hsilaciryl
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I added Ferrothorn over Jirachi since I had a problem with Quagsire. I'm considering Starmie > Cloyster since I really need that spin support, but I'm not sure.
 
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