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Will D/P make or break the franchise?

Eszett

one love
Inasmuch as I find "intelligent D/P discussion" an oxymoron save for that one glorious moment, it cannot hurt to at least try.

With that being said, I would like to iterate that I feel D/P lends itself to some strong graphics upgrades and has people jittery-excited about the prospect of using such Pokemon as Munchlax and Manyula, not to mention that merely sporting the Pokemon name will assure a game at least a considerable revenue for Nintendo and Gamefreak. Furthermore, current fans of the franchise will not need to be annoyed that you can't trade between the new games considering that the data formats are able to remain compatible and thus you will be able to transfer items. D/P has a fair few highlights that would compel people to buy it, especially the desire for the game's many fanboys to continue playing.

However, D/P also lends it to some noticeable pitfalls when it comes to its marketing campaign, the biggest of which I feel it being put on the DS. While in and of itself this is a wise marketing move considering that former Pokemon games would dictate that D/P should essentially be a killer app for the DS, and in addition allows for a more embellished environment, it has also managed to vex people who do not own a DS, albeit not me. Another worrying factor, though nowhere on the scope of that which I just mentioned, is the lack of Manaphy in D/P by any standard means: it entails that you buy a ticket to see the latest movie to unlock a quest in Ranger, which must then be completed should you wish to nab the critter. For all we know, this might not even hold for America and Europe. Manaphy is regrettably one of the most popular new Pokemon out now, which surely came to its fans' chagrin once CoroCoro announced the exclusivity.

Yet, on the whole, Diamond and Pearl have enough support them behind them to be mildly successful games at the very worst. It is regrettably true that many players will not be willing to buy a DS for what will likely be their exclusive DS game - after all, if you have wanted to play DS games, you would likely have bought one by now - yet, at the same time, the fandom of many a player will win them over into buying a DS and at least one of the games. We still have yet to see the DS Micro, which might turn out offering a better deal than the current DS (or vice versa) while still offering the same functionality. Furthermore, depending on the release date of D/P in the locales aside from Japan, they could very well be scheduled to occur before that immense profit holiday we like to call Christmas and thus become an intensely hot commodity.

Do not worry about your detractors, just fly, soar to victory, wow the huddled masses who doubted your abilities. I have faith in you, Gamefreak.
 

Omega Pirate

shove it up ya bum!
I, and a few people I know, bought a DS simply in anticipation of D/P. I've been rather dissapointed with DS titles and realise that D/P may be the only one I can actually play for longer than an hour a day. That is to say, of course, that it is actually a good game. If it isn't then, I don't know what I'll do.

But add in the fact that Australia is about 2-3 months behind the U.S. so we get every game later.
 

zonic the hedgehog

HUR HUR USER TITLE
Well, either way, D/P will definitely make money so it's not like the franchise is going to slow down...

However, it's hard to determine if this game will truely be ground-breaking or any such thing when the gameplay looks similar to the advance versions, with just prettied-up graphics to show.

Although the whole online deal is the entire reason everyone will be purchasing it, so that's the only positive I see at the moment, but we might be surprised like how we were when there would be contests in Ru/Sa. XP

Once I see the game in action, I may serve better judgement. =P

I, and a few people I know, bought a DS simply in anticipation of D/P. I've been rather dissapointed to DS titles and realise that D/P may be the only one I can actually play for longer than an hour a day.

That seems to be a problem going through a lot of DS games. :\
For some reason, many of them just focus too much on the innovation, that they forget that they're supposed to last longer than a week of gameplay.
 

Golden_Latias

#SlayQueenSlay
Right now, there's no way to say for sure whether it'll be good or not. I, personally, think it'll be just as good as any other Pokemon game. Sure, the game excludes Manafi, and Nintendo will probably give it away in an event or something, but what makes that different from Mew, Celebi, or Deoxys? Plus, the WiFi thing sounds awesome ;).

EDIT:Rain Trainer! w00t!
 

Omega Pirate

shove it up ya bum!
Honestly, Wifi isn't a big reason I'm looking forward to D/P. I just want to see all the new pokemon. It's also such a hassle to get a wireless router here, especially a Nintendo one-which must be ordered over the phone.
 

CyberCubed

Yeah, ok!
There are actually people upset that Pokemon is on the D/S? WTF?

How is this different than having to buy a GBA for R/S? How the hell is this different than buying ANY videogame. Consoles only have a set lifespan before we move to the next generation.

Anyone who expected Pokemon to stay on the friggin GBA (which is well on its way to retirement) is clearly an idiot. Learn how the videogame industry works, if that's the case.
 

Laprashunter

Orange Champion
Eszett said:
However, D/P also lends it to some noticeable pitfalls when it comes to its marketing campaign, the biggest of which I feel it being put on the DS.

I will have to disagree with you on that. Firstly, the DS is in and the gameboy advance will be retiring soon. The DS had lowered it's price not too long ago and I expect it to go down again once D/P is released which will probably be next year. Lastly, it's Pokemon for heaven's sake! Some people would sell their arm for it!! Viva Pokemon!

DriveshafT said:
Honestly, Wifi isn't a big reason I'm looking forward to D/P. I just want to see all the new pokemon. It's also such a hassle to get a wireless router here, especially a Nintendo one-which must be ordered over the phone.

*cough* Ebay *cough*
 
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blueguy

used Metronome!
No matter what, I will probably like a Pokémon RPG as long as it sticks to formula. The question here is not whether I, or many other fans, will like it, but if they will love it. Sapphire was pretty fun; I liked it... but I didn't love it. To me, it was any other Pokémon game with a small graphical facelift... nothing much special. G/S/C stands out in my mind as the best game of the series because it added much more depth to the games, whereas R/S/E stands out as the worst, because it felt like little effort was put into it, little innovation.

My hope is that Diamond and Pearl will bring exciting and captivating elements to the games, unseen before, to breathe life new life into the series, because, at this point, I've gotten a bit bored. Sure, any Pokémon RPG we're treated to will be fun, but you don't hear people speak of R/S/E in the same breath as G/S/C, do you? I fear that I'll be let down, though, and that D/P will simply be another copy, masquerading as "new".
 

Nathan Madien

Me on a Good Day
Laprashunter said:
I will have to disagree with you on that. Firstly, the DS is in and the gameboy advance will be retiring soon. The DS had lowered it's price not too long ago and I expect it to go down again once D/P is released which will probably be next year. Lastly, it's Pokemon for heaven's sake! Some people would sell their arm for it!! Viva Pokemon!

That's true. The diehard Pokemon fans will buy and play D/P regardless of either logistics or being made fun of by X-Play.
 

Champion Jared 14

Well-Known Member
Laprashunter, don't double post, use the edit button. I think that since it's the next generation, it's quite fitting to have it on the DS. It may not meet everyone's expectations, but I'm sure I'll enjoy it anyway. I want to see all the new pokemon too, I can't wait any longer! Now this means that I have to but a DS in the first place. Hm, new or used? I think I might but a new one. *has no money to speak of*
 

Eszett

one love
Nah, I like that it's on the DS, but I have heard several complaints about that little fact from some people on the forums. It's not going to detract the diehard fans, granted, but it will undoubtedly repel the more casual gamers that don't buy systems just for one game. It's only a plurality of players at best, but it's something to consider when weighing in how this game will fare.
 

Omega Pirate

shove it up ya bum!
The only reason I can see people not wanting it on DS is because they probably don't have one. Pokemon have never released 2 generations on the same console for example R/B/Y-GB, G/S/C-GBC, R/S/E-GBA, D/P/?-DS.

So why would Nintendo suddenly change that? I say those people should shutup.
 

Shrike Flamestar

Video Game Addict
The DS is selling like crazy in both America and Japan, but of course there are going to be those people who can’t afford one and decide to whine about it online.

About the “DS Micro,” have you heard of the DS Lite yet? It’s coming out in America next month and is smaller, lighter, and has far better screens than the current DS at the same price ($130). While it’s not quite “micro” sized, it’s the next best thing; you can’t reduce a handheld with two screens by that much unless Nintendo drops the GBA slot, which I’m sure they don’t want to do quite yet. Especially with it being used for things such as the rumble pack and trading between D/P and the GBA Pokémon games (supposedly. Nothing’s confirmed on how that will work yet).
 

MetalMario

< It's Passion Pink!
The formua's worked in the past; why change it now?

The fact is, the DS is a very popular handheld, so I would expect that Nintendo will have very little difficulty drawing both the fans of Pokémon and of the Nintendo DS, in general, to the new generation of Pokémon games. Pokémon has, since its introduction in 1998, been Nintendo's biggest seller for their handheld platforms and for a very good reason: it offers unprecedented gameplay length, depth, flexibility, and replay value. One game could very well last you for the duration of its platform's commercial lifetime.

Whether or not D/P are spectacular in relation to past Pokémon titles doesn't alter the fact that they will be the DS's killer app(s); nothing else can even come close. We can expect that Nintendo will gain more players from the upgrade than they'll lose in the transposition.
 

Skiks

MUCH RESPECT
DriveshafT said:
Honestly, Wifi isn't a big reason I'm looking forward to D/P. I just want to see all the new pokemon. It's also such a hassle to get a wireless router here, especially a Nintendo one-which must be ordered over the phone.
Best Buy and many game stores have an adaptor for WiFi that only costs 40 bucks.
 

Omega Pirate

shove it up ya bum!
Skiks said:
Best Buy and many game stores have an adaptor for WiFi that only costs 40 bucks.

In Australia? According to the Wifi website you can only by them over the phone by ringing the Nintendo hotline.
 

Laprashunter

Orange Champion
DriveshafT said:
I'll never buy anything on Ebay, it's so easy to be ripped off.

It's not easy to get ripped off. You just got to know who to trust and buy from. I take it you never bought anything from Ebay before? They have a rating system on there that should give you an idea if a seller is real or bogus. My mom buy tons of stuff from Ebay, including my N64. You also get buyer's protection too.

Back to the topic.

Eszett said:
but it will undoubtedly repel the more casual gamers that don't buy systems just for one game.

Just one game?!? Have you seen the list of games that are being developed and will be released for the DS? Final Fantasy 3, Tales of Tempest, Super Mario. The list goes on. There's just no way of pleasing you people. If you want a great handheld, refer to the poor excuse of a hand-held piece of brick called the PSP. >__>
 
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vicious_killer_squirrel

Guest
DriveshafT, I live in Brisbane and let me assure you that the Nintendo USB WiFi adapter is easy to get. Just go to any Electronics Boutique and they're selling them at $70 a pop. Granted, you're paying an extra $20 for the convenience, so it's up to you where you get it.

Also, the DS Lite comes out in Australia on the first day of June and in the US on the 11th of June. Basically, after that, you'll be able to get the DS Phat for a song. Not as good as a Lite, mind you, but if you're looking for a bargain, Electronics Boutique will probably be selling pre-loved DS Phats for very cheap. People are just complaining because getting a DS costs money (usually gotten from parents or a job), not because there's no reason to get a DS.

If you're looking for games to get for the DS, there's no shortage of great titles out now and coming soon. New Super Mario Bros., Legend of Zelda Phantom Hourglass, Metroid Prime Hunters, Castlevania Dawn of Sorrow, Super Mario 64 DS, Mario & Luigi Partners in Time, Yoshi's Island 2, Final Fantasy 3, Brain Training, Animal Crossing and of course, Pokemon Diamond and Pearl. These are all great games for the DS that do and will keep people busy for hours. It's just a matter of doing your homework and reading reviews for DS games.

In my opinion, it's hardly likely that DP will be the killer app for the DS. RBY was the killer app for the Gameboy, using basically all the resources and stretching the limits of what could be done on the thing. RBY wasn't made any bigger and the graphics weren't better simply because all the power of the Gameboy was used up. Looking at the DP screens, it doesn't look like DP will use all that power. I think the DS already has a killer app in the form of Metroid Prime Hunters (you notice slowdown occasionally as the DS struggles to spawn multiple enemies in large rooms)

Back on topic though, I think that DP has the potential to go down as the new pinnacle of the Pokemon series. Currently, that honour goes to GSC, which I haven't played :'(

3D environments, great graphics, back compatibility, WiFi, (probably) a much bigger adventure, not to mention the fact that it gives Game Freak the chance to address all the mistakes they made in the Advance generation of games and add tweaks that will enhance gameplay and reinsert much-loved features (without dependence on an internal battery, there's no longer any excuse for not including timed events). If the jump from RSE/FrLg to DP is as big as the jump from RBY to GSC, then we'll definitely remember this as the greatest Pokemon generation ever.

EDIT: For all those Aussies looking for a WiFi adapter, you can pick one up at Myer for $45
 
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Eswamperon

Water/Grass Lover
Hear Hear! Well said that man!

Even though I always thought RBYwas better than GSC
 
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