Will the fire starter by doomed again? (Competitivly)

[Zora]

Okay competitivly fire starters are not always the best. Though have been getting better, there is always someone better out there to replace them.
Know lets look back a little.

Charizard: Has good stats, just in the wrong places. Needs stats moved or a more special moveset.

Thyphlosion: Had a slightly better moveset, but stats were not that great.

Blazikien: This guy has pontential, yet he is not that great. in the competitive world, you would use a soid fighting type because EQ can kill this fighter.


Okay, they have been getting better, put lets look at cons of fire types in general:

Weakest to the most common move in Metagame (EQ)
Often lack great moveset's.

Fire types do not have access to WoW generally, which is the best fire-stat move in the game.


Now, do you think that the new fire starter is doomed yet again?

 

[Mequuh]

Yes, but who cares? And Blaziken wasn't THAT bad... You can easily advoid EQ.. I never had to much trouble when he was on my team.

Bah, most of the time, the starters have a second type. Hopfully it will be Flying.. Or have levitate.

 

[Kikas123]

I just hope he isn't, fire is a great type, blasted Nintendo...

 

[Moonlight.]

Charizard is an okay OU Pokemon, and the other two can do alright. Also, how often do you see Blastoise and Meganium used? It's not the fire starters that are terrible, just that the fire type itself seems to have unbalanced stats and poor movesets (except probably examples like Houndoom).

I wouldn't say the fire starter would be "doomed". I think it will be pretty much like the first three, pretty good for its type, but that's where the problem comes. The stats will probably we unbalanced again as well...

 

[Char1016]

I think they will make it a dual-type again but I don't know, Maybe Fire/Rock or Fire/Ground.

By the way, Venusaur [Grass/Poison] and Swampert [Water/Ground] are dual type pokemons too.

 

[[AceAussie]]

charizard is my fav pokemon and i think it is the best starter i always chose fire over the rest i think theirs nothing wrong with them grass needs to be improved though

 

[umbreunatic]

I hope the new fire starter will be good, because I think it will be one of the few new fire pokemon, I mean you need a strong fire type I the game.
I mean look at the third generation, only 6 new fire pokemon(!!).

 

[denuel]

yea i agree, theres not enouth fire pokemon, all it is; is grass and water pokemon, know that stinks

 

[AJ Flibble]

I'm actually more worried about what it's going to look like and how overrated it's going to be. Blaziken's really good, Charizard takes risks but CAN work, and Typhlosion is balanced.

 

[[AceAussie]]

I hope the new fire starter will be good, because I think it will be one of the few new fire pokemon, I mean you need a strong fire type I the game.
I mean look at the third generation, only 6 new fire pokemon(!!).

did you mean by fully fire type or can i count fire/ground???

and they do really need a new fire pokemon i mean alot like atleast ten
less water more fire

 

[umbreunatic]

I meant blaziken, torchic, combusken, camerupt, numel, and torkoal with those 6 pokemon

 

[¤Umbreon¤]

I don't care. I always choosed the Fire-starter. Cuz it's hard to find great Fire-pokemon.

 

[FireHead Hank]

Though fire is my favorite type, I rarely use one of the fire starters as my main pokemon, just because they tend to suck... Typhlosion is my favorite of the starters, Blatiken isn't bad either...... Charizard is ignored by me.
I really hope that we'll get a cool, unique looking fire starter, with nice stats.

 

[JONNO.FRESH]

I hope its good. The 1st 3 where ok but maybe a fire type that really stands out from the rest

 

[magnemiteZ]

Okay competitivly fire starters are not always the best.

Ok, if you are thinking competetively, Charizard and Blaziken are the 2 most used Fire types. Bellyzard is deadly, and Blaziken loves teams with Skarm Bliss.

Charizard: Has good stats, just in the wrong places. Needs stats moved or a more special moveset.

imo its Stas are in the right place. For example, you can have a jolly Bellyzard and still actually use a Fire move.

Thyphlosion: Had a slightly better moveset, but stats were not that great.

Typhlosion is the worst of the 3 competetively. The best thing you can do with it is to put up the sun, wait for Blaze to kick in (with the usage of substitute), give it Petaya Berry and Flamethrower away.

Blazikien: This guy has pontential, yet he is not that great. in the competitive world, you would use a soid fighting type because EQ can kill this fighter.

This is my favourite Skarm Bliss counter. It is great in the metagame.

Weakest to the most common move in Metagame (EQ)
Often lack great moveset's.

Endurev Blaziken counters Earthquake nicely, and Charizard is the most deadly Pokemon to swap into a CB EQ.

Fire types do not have access to WoW generally, which is the best fire-stat move in the game.

Try the only Fire Stat move.
But if the new one gets WoW, that would be great.

Now, do you think that the new fire starter is doomed yet again?

no. As I have pointed out, none of them are crap, and it seems you don't know all the facts on them. This is because thay are all rather deadly (if used correctly) in the right situation.

Now, for the new starter: I would like to see a Dual Special typing. Like Fire/Dark or Fire/Electric (although this would kinda destroy the starter triangle). Then they can concentrate on one Attack Stat, which would allow the other stats to be more in Defences, HP and Speed.

 

[Ex_Mightyena]

Huh?I thought grass types were the ones with many flaws,they never really had moves that were all to great at the beginning.

I actually think Fire were ok that way,I thought that charmander was the only one with a problem since the first gym was Rock.Same for Torchic.
Cyndaquil has had an easy life for sure.

I dont really car for the fire types,I just hope all pokemon from now will be cool!

And I agree with FM,but only for the Dark part of fire (Darkness rules!)

 

[Jedi Flygon]

Fire starters are really good. I mean if you want them to be great then theres no way. I think no, because fire staarters weren't always doomed. Now for the new starter thingy, I think it should be dual type, that would make it WoW (maybe) I mea, dual types are kinda cool, like fire/normal or fire/ground.

 

[PeteDHeat]

I Never Started With a Fire Pokemon before in a game as a First time Playing through it.I Choose Venosaur,then feraligart Then Sceptile.I Have Really high Hopes for this new fire Starter,and i think its Going to be Great.Dual type of course and a Good Dual type.I think It's Going to be A Lion.

 

[Auraninja]

Well, I would happen to disagree, but that is just my opinion.

Charizard can learn Flamethrower, Outrage, and Bite. It can atleast support Attacks.

Typhlosion has the same stats as Charizard. If Charizard has good stats, Typhlosion has good stats. If Charizard has bad stats, Typhlosion has bad stats.

Blaziken is actually a good fighter. Blaze Kick is good since it has a high critical hit ratio and also can inflict a burn. It has good Attack and Special Attack stats that can support most moves. And even if Earthquake can KO it, are you going to not use the many potentially good Pokemon that can be KOed by Earthquake.

 

[Zora]

Ok, if you are thinking competetively, Charizard and Blaziken are the 2 most used Fire types. Bellyzard is deadly, and Blaziken loves teams with Skarm Bliss.

imo its Stas are in the right place. For example, you can have a jolly Bellyzard and still actually use a Fire move.

Typhlosion is the worst of the 3 competetively. The best thing you can do with it is to put up the sun, wait for Blaze to kick in (with the usage of substitute), give it Petaya Berry and Flamethrower away.

This is my favourite Skarm Bliss counter. It is great in the metagame.

Endurev Blaziken counters Earthquake nicely, and Charizard is the most deadly Pokemon to swap into a CB EQ.

Try the only Fire Stat move.
But if the new one gets WoW, that would be great.


no. As I have pointed out, none of them are crap, and it seems you don't know all the facts on them. This is because thay are all rather deadly (if used correctly) in the right situation.

Now, for the new starter: I would like to see a Dual Special typing. Like Fire/Dark or Fire/Electric (although this would kinda destroy the starter triangle). Then they can concentrate on one Attack Stat, which would allow the other stats to be more in Defences, HP and Speed.

Clearly you forgot that generally mixed sweepers SUCK. Even mixed Uber sweepers are not good competitevly. Also, Charizard is not OU, but more overrated. Fire starters have disadvantage. I hope it is Fire-Flying with corrected moveset or stats.

Also give me a decent Charizard Special moveset.

I don't care. I always choosed the Fire-starter. Cuz it's hard to find great Fire-pokemon.

This isn't ingame. Think Netbattle or something.