Will we accustom ourselves to this generation?

[Eszett]

Considering how the games are shaping up now, the community has given very mixed opinions about whether they support or oppose the new policies. Certain individuals, such as myself, feel staunchly opposed to the new game mechanic system that stipulates whether attacks are physical or special based on the actions of the attacks - I myself do not support it because the whole process of designation seems too arbitrary and haphazard to me. Others are moaning about how we might be seeing Fighting/Dark/Psychic starters keeping in mind that that is technically not a "type triange" seeing that Dark types are immune to Psychic attacks.

However, when all is done and said - assuming, of course, they implement these plans - are we going to complain so much about the games, or will we come to accept it? As a whole, I feel that the players of the game will ultimately enjoy what these games have to offer, but at the same time it will dissuade several people from the games. Let us face it: when it comes to willful spending, we spend our money on things that we enjoy. If people will not enjoy these new plans, they will not buy D/P; if they do, they will buy it.

These plans may seem radical - indeed, even as someone who wants reform in the games finds these implementations a bit too far off the deep end - but all in all, I feel that we will adapt to the changes. Yet, once again, I must highlight that an adaptation to the new way that things work does not under any circumstance imply that people will be happy with them. To me, assuming these plans see implementation, which seems likely as of present, I feel that at best we will have more people grudgingly accept this as opposed to greeting it with open arms. You didn't hear several people complaining about breeding since it was generally held to be an asset to these games. However, just going into the threads of this section, you will be hard-pressed not to find at least a few people on every page offering criticism of the new system or simply whining about it.

Should we be able to transition - and I do feel that we can - I hold that it will be the bumpiest one we've seen yet.

Comments, criticisms, and suggestions welcomed.

 

[Pandough 10]

God I hope we do.
On the screwing of the battle system: NO. I mean, yea, it's lame that we have to get used to a whole new battling system. But hopefully these guys won't be too radical and change everything. There aren't really that many attacks that oppose their type. I mean, yea, elemental punches, hyper beam.. Personally, I always thought that poison attacks should've been special. Siiiigh. I wish Jiggpuff was here so he could do his big NO thing.

On the possible new starter system: It's interesting. Fighting stands out because it's so unlike dark and psychic in so many ways. Dark is immune to psychic, and in the past, most psychic pokemon have somewhat low Attack Stat (except the beldum line, legendaries and such.) So in the beginning, that tackle attack is gonna be pretty tough to pull off for Psy-Head over here, and when it grows up, we better hope it learns some fire/ice/elect.

 

[SHUCKLE MAN]

I think we will get used to it, although I am angry about Electabuzz evolving.

In terms of competitive battling, it will almost be like having 500 new Pokemon as every Pokemon will change dramatically. This may also mean that some not fully evolved Pokemon may actually be used, whilst some fully evolved ones will be useless. I like this (we already have this to a certain extent) as Pokemon such as Dragonair may be usable in UU or whatever tiers they have at the time.

I am also worried that we will find DP to be terrible, because of this, and people will carry on with 3rd gen. battlng until the 5th gen. comes out.

 

[Eszett]

Pandough 10, as I mentioned earlier my ultimate consternation with these new plans is that the criteria for determining whether they are physical or special is too arbitrary to be determined in a systematic and effective manner. I'm sure that even within Gamefreak there will be several bones of contention between certain factions on the various moves. But that is irrelevant: what I'm asking here is will we able to adapt to it no matter what it is.

I think we will get used to it, although I am angry about Electabuzz evolving.

We don't know that for sure.

In terms of competitive battling, it will almost be like having 500 new Pokemon as every Pokemon will change dramatically. This may also mean that some not fully evolved Pokemon may actually be used, whilst some fully evolved ones will be useless. I like this (we already have this to a certain extent) as Pokemon such as Dragonair may be usable in UU or whatever tiers they have at the time.

The metagame has always held some degree of fickleness, but the core of the game has been altered now. We'll be sure to feel these effects for a fair while, and they will be noticeable within the game itself as well.

I am also worried that we will find DP to be terrible, because of this, and people will carry on with 3rd gen. battlng until the 5th gen. comes out.

If we do that, we might not even be seeing a fifth generation.

 

[berty106]

on the possible starter system:
i will find hard to adjust to. the standard fire/grass/water circle was so easy to acustom to. this one is more complex as they are not as straight forward. dark being immune to psycic, two being special and one physical [although that is all up in the air on how attacks go now] i would guess, to even this triangle out, at least the psycic will have a dual typing. im sure once i get playing the game it will all fit into place, anyway i dont have to put the starter in my team.
i think if they do go by this triangle, it will be to have a more special looking dark move [if this physical/special move idea sticks] and open up oppertunites to basic dark/fighting/psycic moves.

on the battle system:
im looking foward to this alot, because i want to see its affects on pokemon, and how it will change there usage. i will, like most find it hard to ajust, but its one im anticipating, unlike many.

i find it will be similar to the change between R/B/Y and G/S/C
if you think about fast pokemon and ther evasion [sp] and how overused hyperbeam and psycics were, and G/S/C just stabalised it, along with the special split.
although little is needed to be stabalised, it will just bring a change in what pokemon are OU and UU. and give an opotunity to use diffent move sets wich work! wich is what i'm anticipating. i like to see change, i would get board of seeing the same staple pokemon in every generation, and its a nifty way of forcing a change.

im interested to see what happens if you can battle the previous games, how it will take shape with the new proposed system.

 

[IMPERIAL DRAGON]

All this hysteria is rather unnecessary to be quite honest. Especially with the hatred towards this potential new system, if anything it’s merely correcting an original mistake with simple logic apposed to fundamentally ruining the system. Hyper Beam should be special, obviously, it’s not exactly an injustice, I just hope they remedy this with giving a greater variety to the moves, such as Dragon attacks since it’ll now be divided, well with the main two attacks anyway.

 

[SHUCKLE MAN]

I found that when GSC started, people went back to playing RBY more. And today, people prefer RBY because it is so luck based. GSC did some good things with the special split, but also some bad things.

Take RBY Chansey.
The outrage that RBY Chansey (who is one of the best normal types of all time and has to be one of the most chaos causing Pokemon known to man) was going to evolve was unbearable. After all, Chansey did take the least damage from Special Attacks than any other Pokemon that existed at the time, it also had the highest HP in the game. It also had an insane movepool. And what is more, Chansey had base 105 Special Attack which meant the thing had a higher Special Attack than the uber Pokemon, Mew. People were flabbergasted when they heard Chansey was going to evolve.

Were are in a similar situation now. Although the special split did change a lot, Chansey is still a BL today. Anyways, the result of all this was Blissey. Most people today get very, very angry with Blissey although today's Blissey is nowhere near as devastating as RBY Chansey.

My point is people were angry, yet the still play Pokemon today. If this turns out to be a bad thing, I think people will still play as much as they used too.

 

[Eszett]

on the possible starter system:
i will find hard to adjust to. the standard fire/grass/water circle was so easy to acustom to. this one is more complex as they are not as straightfoward. dark being immune to psycic, two being special and one physical [although that is all up in the air on how attacks go now] i would guess, to even this triangle out, at least the psycic will have a dual typing. im sure once i get playing the game it will all fit into place, and way i dont have to put the starter in my team.
i think if they do go by this triangle, it will be to have a more special looking dark move [if this physical/special move idea sticks] and open up oppertunites to basic dark/fighting/psycic moves.

I don't really care too much about the starters, but this sudden departure in their typing makes me question what thought process inovked this change.

on the battle system:
im looking foward to this alot, because i want to see its affects on pokemon, and how it will change there usage. i will, like most find it hard to ajust, but its one im anticipating, unlike many.

i find it will be similar to the change between R/B/Y and G/S/C
if you think about fast pokemon and ther evasion [sp] and how overused hyperbeam and psycics were, and G/S/C just stabalised it, along with the special split.
although little is needed to be stabalised, it will just bring a change in what pokemon are OU and UU. and give an opotunity to use diffent move sets wich work! wich is what i'm anticipating. i like to see change, i would get board of seeing the same staple pokemon in every generation, and its a nifty way of forcing a change.

im interested to see what happens if you can battle the previous games, how it will take shape with the new proposed system.

My response this could apply to IMPERIAL DRAGON's point as well, but nevertheless:

I don't mind what they're doing with the battle system in allowing Pokemon to be more independent of their typing, but at the same time I question whether it will be truly effective: will the physical sweepers and Ghosts still have a good Ghost move to put on their movesets? What will become of such Pokemon as Alakazam, who rely on the punches extensively? As I stated in another thread, creating additional moves that specifically went against their typing (e.g. a physical Water move) and giving them an ample base power would be far more beneficial than uprooting the whole system.

Nevertheless, I believe I can still adapt to this, but I'm sure it won't be without its fair number of complaints and regrets.

 

[SHUCKLE MAN]

I don't really care too much about the starters, but this sudden departure in their typing makes me question what thought process inovked this change.

My response this could apply to IMPERIAL DRAGON's point as well, but nevertheless:

I don't mind what they're doing with the battle system in allowing Pokemon to be more independent of their typing, but at the same time I question whether it will be truly effective: will the physical sweepers and Ghosts still have a good Ghost move to put on their movesets? What will become of such Pokemon as Alakazam, who rely on the punches extensively? As I stated in another thread, creating additional moves that specifically went against their typing (e.g. a physical Water move) and giving them an ample base power would be far more beneficial than uprooting the whole system.

Nevertheless, I believe I can still adapt to this, but I'm sure it won't be without its fair number of complaints and regrets.

Alakazam will have Shadow Ball for a start. So will Espeon actually...

 

[Numb333]

I think we'll manage.

Of course we are complaining now, because these things are new. Once we play the game, I'm sure it'll be "like old times". And I, for one, like the new fight/dark/psychic thing. Although I'm not too sure about the whole physical/special attack thing. It makes sense to do it like this, but it also makes it harder. Couldn't they have done that from the start?

And if it's Electabuzz' evolved form {and I think it's safe to say so, I mean, come on, look at him}, and you don't like him.. simply don't evolve your Electa?

I know for a fact that I'll love D/P when they come out.

Latios

Everytime Pokemon remains the same, people whine.
Everytime Pokemon changes something, people whine.

Sad fact.

True.

 

[~Shining-Metagross~]

Everytime Pokemon remains the same, people whine.
Everytime Pokemon changes something, people whine.

Sad fact.

Quoted for truth. Sometimes I really do dispise the Pokemon community.

As for my Opinions:
The whole thing is far-fetched, and not the best of ideas, but thank fudge we finally have change. Pokemon has had a few changes, but nothing this drastic.

This means the games will become more tactics then just raw power.

The way i've been hoping Pokemon would become for ages. Its slowly been moving that way, but now we are here, its going to be a bumpy ride.

As for the brake from the starters, I am pondering. IF it is true, how would it work? And is it possible they would be duel types(Like Grass/GHost? **** idea, but you know what I mean).

To me, I will just become acustom to the system. It doesn't effect me in ANYWAY, its just a game. =P
X
~Danny~

 

[PkmnBreederLuke]

I'll get it, and I'll keep playing it regardless. I'm welcome to changes and I like things to stay the same, at the end of the day it's not in my control so I will play what I'm given. I realise people want to trade over their Level 100 Pokemon to their D/P games when they get them and can, and are up in arms about it all because moves are changing.

There are more devastating things happening for people to worry about than this, and the chances are this forum (the D/P one - not the whole board) will just turn into a whiney little place where people come to complain where they haven't tried to enjoy the new game. So many people will go to buy D/P on a whim, not expecting much, won't attempt to like it and Nintendo/Gamefreak still make a pretty penny from it all.

If it get's too much and everyone just start's to complain, it won't be difficult to not visit here - it's hard enough coming to this part of the messageboard to read the same thing 452 times a day already, so if I left I doubt i'd mind. I'd still visit the main website to see things.

In summary, yes i will accustom to the new generation fine because I am willing to. I don't netbattle so I don't really mind as much as most people do about how Pokemon X will become redundant. While F/G/W is easier to understand than D/P/F, I think at the age I'm at, I'm old enough not to care

 

[Eszett]

SHUCKLE MAN, I was stating that the Normal and Fighting types - which get more use out of Ghost moves than Psychic types - will be less able to cover their bases with these new developments.

Everytime Pokemon remains the same, people whine.
Everytime Pokemon changes something, people whine.

Sad fact.

There are changes that the consensus deem positive, there are some that the consensus deems negative.

While I think we all exhibit a little bit too much chutzpah in expressing our liking or dislike of this new system considering we know little about the new attacks or Pokemon - this jumping to conclusions is something that we are both guilty of - we must consider on which levels this will affect the game: is realism as important as the metagame? Is making the high-attack Dark type ostensibly useful worth the effort?

Those questions are not for me to answer and we have no clue how this will shape up, but from the looks of it, I suspect this will not be worth the effort. Sure, we can adapt, but the question stands as such now: Will we be happy with the results?

 

[~Shining-Metagross~]

Will we be happy with the results?

Don't even bother asking this questions till we fully know how the brand new game Mechanics work. For all we know, it could be completely different then we are expecting.

 

[SHUCKLE MAN]

SHUCKLE MAN, I was stating that the Normal and Fighting types - which get more use out of Ghost moves than Psychic types - will be less able to cover their bases with these new developments.

Sorry, I misunderstood you...

 

[Eszett]

Sorry, I misunderstood you...

That's okay, I should have explained myself better.

Don't even bother asking this questions till we fully know how the brand new game Mechanics work. For all we know, it could be completely different then we are expecting.

I am presenting this question in the timeframe of Diamond and Pearl's release. Of course we don't know how the game mechanic fully works, so it's a bit brazen to state whether it's definitely a good idea or a bad idea at this frame in time - we'll find that out when the games are released. We'll find that out depending on whether it satisfies us or not.

 

[Stew.Powder]

Wall of text/10.

Anyway, I'll get used to it, like I always did. The community will be re-shaped like they've been through different generations.

You'll feel home when the game is out, don'tcha worry.

 

[Black Marauder]

People, I do hope that you know the aren't aren't really confirmed to be Fighting/Psychic/Dark. Eszett just elaborated on what he thought would happen if the starters were of those typing.

I will adjust to this generation even if I may not like something I guess I will have to make myseldf accustom to the games. I am quite intruiged by the new attack system, in that I am eager to see how it all plays out. What will Alakazam do without the Elemental Punches? Will Tyranitar move ever so close to becoming an uber? Will I finally get Blaze Kick my Blaziken?

 

[Deoxys Prime]

Battling: I'm not too sure, most pokemon won't be changed, but now Blaze Kick and Thunderpunch on Blaziken will be that much more effective, however, pokemon like Lucario may be forced to different skills, such as sticking with the ranged special attacks, or hand to hand physical ones.

Starters: I was getting tired of the same Fire-Grass-Water thing, we needed a change, so we may be getting a half Decent Dark type. This'll be cool.

I'm fine with the change, it actually seems to be out of the normal, so this is good for people who want a break from similar mechanics every gen. So I can adapt.

 

[IMPERIAL DRAGON]

I think the most brutally unpopular change is if Earthquake is made special, now that would be a huge inconvenience.