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Winter Special #1! Dialga & Palkia! The Space-time Cataclysm!! (1178)

Kungfu-Bear

Well-Known Member
Do you know what a straw man is? And the way you said "I'd rather..... than...." means you're making a comparison. Although yes a big topic going on is "why hasn't Dawn became a TC when Iris came back as a Champion" as if it's the same thing.
Isn't strawman something or someone you target to communicate with other people or points made?
English is not my native language so expect a lot of misunderstandings.
When I saw an image of Iris I saw a chance to give my thoughts about what I didn't like about her return since I started to join the forums here around EP70 and didn't joined the discussions about this particular episode, so I drew a parallel with the problem with Dawn's return because they're basically 'opposite ends' which was the main point to not to go so off-topic, although I was more bothered with what they did to Iris. I have this feeling that they will do spectacularly well with May's comeback as they did with Ash vs Volkner, OLM seems to be aware of some mistakes they make and try to improve in the next chances. Don't worry maybe I'd better keep some opinions to myself next time.
 

nuzamaki90

Well-Known Member
You can't be serious?

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God I dislike moe designs so much not everything needs to be round and squishy Jesus Christ
 

lolipiece

"Vrrr...?"
Staff member
Moderator
I didn't think it possible for there to be a version of TR more devoid of personality than the BW TR, but here we are. I tip my hat to you, writers.
 

KirliaToon50

Pokémon Adventures/Special Anime when?
it seem like some Pokémon devolved like Digimon now?

Does that mean Pokémon is copying Digimon therefore Pokémon are digimon now if they devolved back to first stage!!

what's next? Copying Digimon by having all Pokémon talk? oh great...

(I know I'm Sarcastic but still)
 
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Poke Master 7

Boulder Trainer
They're Giovanni-level of personality and competence, even if they still have the ridiculous talking Meowth.
I mean, for all we know, that’s just them with their work face on. I mean, just look at Ash when he’s in a serious battle compared to down time.
 

BobbbidyBob

Well-Known Member
Wow! I enjoyed this! It kept me intrigued.
 

SerGoldenhandtheJust

Legends Arceus shall be a masterpiece
Okay before I read anything that was said here I wanna write my own review of the episode!!! I am a DP stan as y'all know so it's nice to write about it and the reason I'm late was coz I was banned when the episode was airing so oh well
I might end up double posting coz I wanna write my review before reading anyone else's comments but I would wanna probably reply to some comments in this thread!! I hope it's a wholesome one coz I absolutely loved this episode

This episode imo was a perfect setup of the arc and couldn't have been done better! First of all we see Dawn's full team again, thank god (Hope we see Buneary and Pikachu interact that's all I want). I don't care it is unchanged, I prefer it that way, I would have wanted quilava to evolve but knowing the potential hisuian evolution now I'm glad they might be saving it. Buneary should never evolve, period and Dawn doesn't need more additions imo
Ash bringing Dawn a gift and taking care of her again just like the DP days made me smile a lot and I love just how good this episode was in honouring their bond, first with the opening scene and then Goh remarking how much Dawn reminds him of Ash. That's the stellar DP duo that I remember! Really hope we get that high five soon enough!
Speaking of Ash I love how he was handled, him bringing up Ultra wormholes was a surprise but a perfect way to include continuity and portray Ash as a guy with tons of experiences
Goh and Dawn/Ash and Chloe both made for a great pair, weren't forced and were completely organic. Cynthia was short and sweet, crisp as she needed to be, adding to the mythology angle, showing off more of her team to build up to master class and not taking more time away from the episode. Same with how TR was handled. Glad Ash and Goh are using their Pokemon as well!! Never really felt like they wasted time this episode or didn't pace it properly. Similarly to Dawn's first appearance the pacing and the setup were done well. The whole lore of the multiverse and how evil TR is causing chaos was explained and done well. I love Dawn in the AU was a runner up in the league just like how main Dawn is the runner up in grand festival, she's just a prodigy all around!
The music in this episode was GORGEOUS, like absolutely phenomenal and the animation this ep didn't lack either
I really can't find anything negative about this episode except that I hope the next episode manages to be epic and doesn't feel rushed. (Also Infernape is AU's Ash Pokemon properly so eh)
Also I'm SO HAPPY Gengar and dragonite appear next episode as well (bare minimum ik but at this point I'm glad we are getting back to what should have been the way Ash's team was handled)
So glad Yonemura got this arc, hope he gets the next eventual Dawn arc as well when she returns for LA promotion (it's gonna happen y'all, just like how I was sure the darkrai cresslia stuff wasn't dawn's only appearance)
All in all, definitely a 10/10 episode, balancing everything perfectly down to the music, animation, characterisation, exposition, pacing, character interactions and usage, Pokemon usage and setting up + hype. Really hope the next episode delivers as well, Sinnoh forever is <3
(Still mad I got too much college work coz man I wanna play more BDSP, have hardly managed to play it yet)


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Okay gone through the thread now, the Iris whataboutism was annoying to read, people are still pressed about her geez. Dawn didn't need to have team changes, and she's still a perfectly fine and well established character, chill down
Also the most ridiculous thing here was the overblown Pikachu OOC moment. Pikachu literally was the FIRST who went up to Dawn to cheer her up after Piplup got kidnapped. God forbid it act as a cute animal in one background frame instead of being a stoic serious character. Claiming it ruins his relationship with Piplup is just....overexaggeration
 
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GMax Helios

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Did anyone else get major Digimon vibes from this? Admittedly, I know very little about Digimon, however one of the things I've heard is that when a Digimon dies, rather than going to the afterlife, they reincarnate back into an egg. And while the Pokemon didn't really die, considering the reactions the 2 Dawns had it sure kind of felt like it. Also, I've been playing a game called Digimon World Next Order where that is one of the mechanics. One of your Digimon dies? That one starts from scratch. Well, somewhat, since a percentage of the stat boosts do carry over after the reincarnation.
 
Digimon can die and be reborn as eggs to restart the cycle, yes, but the fact is they must die first. What this arc does is de-aging, basically, which is pretty different.
 

Shego

90% Kissshipper
I can’t believe that the Alternative Dawn happened to be the runner up of the Sinnoh League instead of a coordinator. Something that is different from her original counterpart. As for the Alternative Ash, he’s like a Mirror Ash. I wonder what the Alternative World Paul would be like. Do you think he could be nicer than his original counterpart? Or ten times worse?
 

ShinyCharyZard

Too old for your rubbish..
Nice to see that I was correct about the anime promoting Pokemon Masters after all the arguments from people saying that they weren't in any way promoting anything to do with the game and that JN was strictly Pokemon GO/SwSh related.

So to all those people, in which canon does Cynthia have a Kommo-o? Oh yeah..
 

Ignition

Sinnoh Season
Nice to see that I was correct about the anime promoting Pokemon Masters after all the arguments from people saying that they weren't in any way promoting anything to do with the game and that JN was strictly Pokemon GO/SwSh related.

So to all those people, in which canon does Cynthia have a Kommo-o? Oh yeah..
Yeah they’re promoting an alt over a year after it first joined the game for a story line that’s been over for quite a while now. It’s at most a nod/reference.
 
Nice to see that I was correct about the anime promoting Pokemon Masters after all the arguments from people saying that they weren't in any way promoting anything to do with the game and that JN was strictly Pokemon GO/SwSh related.

So to all those people, in which canon does Cynthia have a Kommo-o? Oh yeah..
Who knows if the anime is even promoting Masters at all. I don't see Cynthia or Erika in their Sygna Suits. Cynthia could just be using Kommo-o because it's a strong Dragon-type...that happens to be a Fighting-type for Lucario to fight. Meanwhile, Erika could just be using Leafeon because she's a Kanto character but they honestly had no made-up Sinnoh character to use for it. But if Misty appears with Vaporeon, then yes, they would be tapping into Masters.

It's not as blatant as Goh blatantly working on Pokemon GO mechanics.
 

ShinyCharyZard

Too old for your rubbish..
Who knows if the anime is even promoting Masters at all. I don't see Cynthia or Erika in their Sygna Suits. Cynthia could just be using Kommo-o because it's a strong Dragon-type...that happens to be a Fighting-type for Lucario to fight. Meanwhile, Erika could just be using Leafeon because she's a Kanto character but they honestly had no made-up Sinnoh character to use for it. But if Misty appears with Vaporeon, then yes, they would be tapping into Masters.

It's not as blatant as Goh blatantly working on Pokemon GO mechanics.

It's one hell of a reach to say it'll only count if they involve Misty. Like Cynthia and Erika don't count enough and Misty is the only character worth referencing.
 
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