The Admiral
the star of the masquerade
I'm pretty sure the game does mock American exceptionalism and conservative ideals.
Probably because both do not jive with the modern world.
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I'm pretty sure the game does mock American exceptionalism and conservative ideals.
Probably because both do not jive with the modern world.
Night_Walker
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The last fight really is quite nasty no doubt - particularly as you're not really prepared for it by any encounter earlier on.
Well summed up, accurate (I think, lol - hard to be sure) and far more precise than I managed.
My impression was that Robert was the one who wished to undo all the harm they'd done - while Rosalind was just happy to be with her 'brother', even after the accident embedded them across space time.
Never the less they were incredibly fun characters and easily the first hint that the conflict in Columbia was potentially not all we had to deal with.
In fact thinking about it, the developers did a masterful job with setting up the game in its marketing keeping the focus on how we'd inter-relate with the Founders and Vox Populi when they're pretty much just incidental.
Definitely think the stuff in Rapture was pry fanservice more than anything else. That said with Anna/Elizabeth at her most powerful I doubt it'd matter if Ryan's bio-recognition tech was in full effect - she is kinda a Goddess once the Siphon is destroyed.
That was a beautiful moment and a an excellent sum up of Irrational's entries in the series, since they're not responsible for BioShock 2
My impression was that Robert was the one who wished to undo all the harm they'd done - while Rosalind was just happy to be with her 'brother', even after the accident embedded them across space time.
Never the less they were incredibly fun characters and easily the first hint that the conflict in Columbia was potentially not all we had to deal with.
In fact thinking about it, the developers did a masterful job with setting up the game in its marketing keeping the focus on how we'd inter-relate with the Founders and Vox Populi when they're pretty much just incidental.
Definitely think the stuff in Rapture was pry fanservice more than anything else. That said with Anna/Elizabeth at her most powerful I doubt it'd matter if Ryan's bio-recognition tech was in full effect - she is kinda a Goddess once the Siphon is destroyed.
That was a beautiful moment and a an excellent sum up of Irrational's entries in the series, since they're not responsible for BioShock 2
Given the attitude some people take I'm not surprised that the themes of American Exceptionalism, the role of religion within a society and racism would provoke anger from some people...
Heck "Beast of America' vids on Youtube stirred up hornet's nests about how respectful and or accurate the game was going to be. So people arguing about it now that it's out, yeah I can believe that.
Abstinence Pistols
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[spoil]The ending to infinite made me think more than I did playing through all of Pokemon white 2. Now that is deepprotect the core on 1999 is ******** though. Oddly enough I beat it by making songbird not kill zepplins.[/spoil]
It's not really deep, it's just needlessly complicated. It makes me feel like Ken Levine could have explained it a lot better with the six years he had.
The Admiral
the star of the masquerade
It's not like Pokemon is all that deep a pool, though.
It's meant to be ambiguous.
Dread Advocate
†Stay Metal†
I feel really bad for this, but I literally just beat the first game for the first time ever ten minutes ago. The final boss was anticlimactic. But the good ending did move me a bit. I don't know when I'll get started on the second one, though I'll probably skip it (like many people keep telling me to do) and go straight to Infinite, eventually, and treat 2 as a side game.
The Admiral
the star of the masquerade
The second one has some worthy moments, but to me, it just doesn't have the same effect that the first had.
After some re-analysis, I'd say the first game gets less enjoyable and generally worse after the reveal that
Atlas is Frank Fontaine.
Abstinence Pistols
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I liked Olympus Heights but the whole part where you
become a big Daddy was kind of stupid to me.
You're telling me that there is NO OTHER WAY someone who can shoot lightning and fire out of his hands can get through a door other than to mutilate himself and get a little girl to open it from the other side?
It would have been so much cooler if they had done it in a different way, too, like if you had gotten to walk across the ocean floor or the outside of Rapture's dome.
You're telling me that there is NO OTHER WAY someone who can shoot lightning and fire out of his hands can get through a door other than to mutilate himself and get a little girl to open it from the other side?
It would have been so much cooler if they had done it in a different way, too, like if you had gotten to walk across the ocean floor or the outside of Rapture's dome.
Night_Walker
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The game itself is plenty deep, certainly more so than most things around these days - not that that in itself says a lot but still.
The ending is actually pretty straight forward... once you're able to get your head around the true 'time-wimey wibbly-wobbly' progression of the story, and inter-dimensional aspects, compared to your linear experience of it - and the linear way the human brain perceives time.
Personally, given the complexity of the concepts at play for the human mind, I don't see how it could have been explained any better.
Personally, given the complexity of the concepts at play for the human mind, I don't see how it could have been explained any better.
Yeah, I felt that the game fell flat on its face after
you kill Andrew Ryan
The Admiral
the star of the masquerade
By that point, you've got a lot of firepower, and connections. Surely you could do something different. It's also a pretext for
an escort mission,
It's not even entirely the story, although that kinda nose dives. In terms of gameplay, it's (to me)
starting largely from the point where your plasmids go berserk. It just seems like a not-very-interesting mechanic. Also, it cycles you through plasmids you don't have, which just seems kind of, er, questionable to me.
Also, the "becoming a Big Daddy" sequence, while it's nice world-building, isn't so great in terms of game content. Also, escort mission. Has there ever been an escort mission in a game that was actually fun?
Also, the "becoming a Big Daddy" sequence, while it's nice world-building, isn't so great in terms of game content. Also, escort mission. Has there ever been an escort mission in a game that was actually fun?
Really? It hardly even felt like escorting. Elizabeth wasn't even in the way during combat. I thought she added to it.
Night_Walker
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Yeah: Elizabeth escorting you through the game, as some fans have already started saying.
In all seriousness, no the game is not one long escort mission - Elizabeth is a companion you don't have to protect and who provides you with items through the game.
Night_Walker
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I wouldn't be - I can understand feeling let down if the quality of 2013 games peaked in March, but... come on Infinite is an incredible game!
Personally, aside from absolutely loving Infinite, I think it'll be GotY simply because there's nothing left to be released this year that I think you can say for sure will be able to challenge it - Last of Us doesn't seem like anything special, likewise Watch Dogs, Dark Souls II will have to do more than just be a repeat of Dark Souls to get GotY, Splinter Cell's got a lot working against it, CoD... well we know they'll release one but it's not gonna be a trend setter, and Destiny seems to be shaping up as a 2014 release.
Swampert is my Homeboy
Ki Ki Ki Ma Ma Ma
I beat Infinite a couple days ago, and all I have to say is wow. That game is a work of art.
Night_Walker
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Well Infinite isn't a direct sequel to the original or the second so you could just jump straight into it...