Would you like to live forever? Yes! Why wouldn't I?

[Vernikova]

Once the world ends, where will you even go? You have no idea where else life is and you probably have no way of moving throughout space.

Well, the world will end in about five billion years if I remember correctly. By then I would expect some sort of vehicle to travel through space would've been invented by then.

But it's a parent's duty to help their children, until the parents need Depends and forgets how to chew apple sauce. I do get your point though.

The children need to help out their parents too especially if the parent is immortal.

 

[WizardTrubbish]

Well, the world will end in about five billion years if I remember correctly. By then I would expect some sort of vehicle to travel through space would've been invented by then.

Still, there are about a billion possible scenarios that will keep you from using that. And if you do have something to travel through space, where would you go?

 

[darkjigglypuff]

But then what about after that?

How could I possibly know? As long as I take care to not get trapped anywhere, who knows where such a long adventure could lead. I could fulfill a life-long dream of exploring the cosmos one day. It's almost an inevitability, even. I think that getting a chance to see where our species, and universe, is head, is enticing enough for me to risk immortality.

 

[GhostAnime]

You would get incredibly board.

Btw, it said immortal. You have no way of "exploring" anything. You'd be sitting in emptiness until the universe contracts again and who knows what the hell happens after that.

Well, the world will end in about five billion years if I remember correctly. By then I would expect some sort of vehicle to travel through space would've been invented by then.

We humans are not going to live up to creating such a device.

And the device would require some form of energy. Will we have infinite energy as well?

 

[pimpachu]

Yeah. I'd want to live forever. No matter what the consequences are. I don't believe there's anything after death. Death is like sleep you never wake up from, except it's not nearly as cozy cause your body rots in the dirt. Which is why I would take any chance to escape death and watch the world change and develop. It kills me to know I won't be able to see what the world will be like in 200, or 2000 years.

 

[Vernikova]

Still, there are about a billion possible scenarios that will keep you from using that. And if you do have something to travel through space, where would you go?

And there are a billion possibilities where you would be able to do that. Also, does it matter where you would go?

We humans are not going to live up to creating such a device.

It will not take five billion years to create such a device. In fact, we've already invented it with the space shuttle.

And the device would require some form of energy. Will we have infinite energy as well?

No it wouldn't. It would have a constant velocity in space and since you're immortal you wouldn't be that bothered by the amount of time it will take to reach anywhere.

 

[GhostAnime]

Which is why I would take any chance to escape death and watch the world change and develop. It kills me to know I won't be able to see what the world will be like in 200, or 2000 years.

Again, what about after the world ends?

It will not take five billion years to create such a device. In fact, we've already invented it with the space shuttle.

We only have the technology to barely reach the moon. If the Earth ends, the surrounding solar system will as well. There is no amount of technology or energy to this day, or to any day in the next few centuries known that will make you travel galaxies.

No it wouldn't. It would have a constant velocity in space and since you're immortal you wouldn't be that bothered by the amount of time it will take to reach anywhere.

What would have constant velocity and why?

And you wouldn't be bothered by the amount of time? Do you know how much a light year is? Let's say you travel somewhere, but you only reach a desolate area; mainly because even if you reach a new galaxy or solar system, it isn't guaranteed to have life.

You would have no direction to go. You have no idea where anything is. There's a high, high possibility you spend at least 90% of the time traveling in emptiness. Since the Earth is gone, what used to entertain you is no longer around. You can't even forever eat your favorite food. How can you trust yourself to be entertained in some space house for eternity? Once again, immortal is simply living forever; it doesn't take away your human urges whatsoever.

People really underrate how easily humans can be bored and lonely. This is equivalent to being trapped in a dead zone. You would be begging for death if you spent eternity doing nothing but this. Try putting yourself in an empty room with nothing for an entire day. Imagine that for millions of years. I find it hard to believe you wouldn't be bothered by it even for a day.

And btw, traveling around for lightyears is only the most optimistic possibility if something is even made before the world ends. If you find a new planet, and it has intelligent life forms, your human body is still heavily adapted to be pleasured and processed by Earthly things. Food on another planet is logically not going to taste or be pleasurable to eat most likely.

If you actually think this stuff through, it sounds like the worst wish anybody could ever have. There are so many things that would simply make the experience a new-found hell. Unless you're Frieza or Cell of course.

 

[Vernikova]

We only have the technology to barely reach the moon. If the Earth ends, the surrounding solar system will as well. There is no amount of technology or energy to this day, or to any day in the next few centuries known that will make you travel galaxies.

That's all you would need.

What would have constant velocity and why?

The space ship or whatever have you would have a constant velocity once you entered space. As a result, it would always be moving and as a result would not need a constant input of energy. That's how satellites can travel in interstellar space long after they've been deployed. Or why they keep traveling in space today. Newton's third law or something.

And you wouldn't be bothered by the amount of time? Do you know how much a light year is? Let's say you travel somewhere, but you only reach a desolate area; mainly because even if you reach a new galaxy or solar system, it isn't guaranteed to have life.

I remember someone mentioning that the older someone becomes, the quicker time seems to go according to their perspective. So yeah, it probably wouldn't bother them too much. As for your second point, it doesn't really matter for this discussion too much since most of space is a desolate area and they probably wouldn't find life anyway.

You would have no direction to go. You have no idea where anything is. There's a high, high possibility you spend at least 90% of the time traveling in emptiness. Since the Earth is gone, what used to entertain you is no longer around. You can't even forever eat your favorite food. How can you trust yourself to be entertained in some space house for eternity? Once again, immortal is simply living forever; it doesn't take away your human urges whatsoever.

That's a "them problem." Would it not be up to them to make sure that they prepare mentally and physically properly for something like that for as long as they can?

People really underrate how easily humans can be bored and lonely. This is equivalent to being trapped in a dead zone. You would be begging for death if you spent eternity doing nothing but this. Try putting yourself in an empty room with nothing for an entire day. Imagine that for millions of years. I find it hard to believe you wouldn't be bothered by it even for a day.

Read above.

And btw, traveling around for lightyears is only the most optimistic possibility if something is even made before the world ends. If you find a new planet, and it has intelligent life forms, your human body is still heavily adapted to be pleasured and processed by Earthly things. Food on another planet is logically not going to taste or be pleasurable to eat most likely.

At that point, in your worst case scenario world, taste or pleasure would be that much of a factor when it comes to food.

If you actually think this stuff through, it sounds like the worst wish anybody could ever have. There are so many things that would simply make the experience a new-found hell. Unless you're Frieza or Cell of course.

You mean if you point out the worst possible scenario that someone could walk into. It's very easy, after all, to say "immortality is horrible because" when you just lay out the worst possible things that can happen if you were immortal. Just as easily, I can say that none of this would happen because humans survive long enough to figure out a way to go through space to an predetermined inhabitable planet.

 

[WizardTrubbish]

That's all you would need.

So, the ability to reach a place that was already destroyed?

 

[Vernikova]

So, the ability to reach a place that was already destroyed?

I see that you have taken the time to read the rest of the post. Or at least the very next thing I said.

Edit: By the way, we're currently discussing means of transportation with chemical rockets which are terrible and inefficient for anything. Things like solar sails or ion rockets (which would be carried into orbit on something) would definitely be more efficient.

 

[GhostAnime]

That's all you would need.

Then you're just welcoming yourself to thousands and thousands of human lifetime emptiness.

The space ship or whatever have you would have a constant velocity once you entered space. As a result, it would always be moving and as a result would not need a constant input of energy. That's how satellites can travel in interstellar space long after they've been deployed. Or why they keep traveling in space today. Newton's third law or something.

Let's say gravity takes its toll and you can't move out of an orbit. Gravity is always at work (it's how our planets are constantly orbiting the sun), assuming you actually land somewhere, you still need to generate some kind of force or energy enough to break the gravity pull to even lift off again... unless you plan on drifting forever.

I remember someone mentioning that the older someone becomes, the quicker time seems to go according to their perspective. So yeah, it probably wouldn't bother them too much. As for your second point, it doesn't really matter for this discussion too much since most of space is a desolate area and they probably wouldn't find life anyway.

Sounds like a psychological phenomenon and I've honestly never heard of that. If time has no end, would you truly have a sense of "quickness"?

That's a "them problem." Would it not be up to them to make sure that they prepare mentally and physically properly for something like that for as long as they can?

And how would they do that? How do you prepare for eternity of nothingness? It can't be done as far as I'm concerned. We're humans.

You mean if you point out the worst possible scenario that someone could walk into. It's very easy, after all, to say "immortality is horrible because" when you just lay out the worst possible things that can happen if you were immortal. Just as easily, I can say that none of this would happen because humans survive long enough to figure out a way to go through space to an predetermined inhabitable planet.

But the chances that humans do that is very, very slim.

The amount of energy required to travel galaxies that wouldn't last a lifetime is absolutely daunting. We don't even have the stuff to travel past our own moon yet and considering the problems this planet already has about the Earth itself, we aren't going anywhere anytime soon.

There is an extremely high chance the world ends before technology of such magnitude ever comes about, and again, even if you had that technology, it would only be traveling in emptiness as opposed to sitting in it.

 

[Vernikova]

Then you're just welcoming yourself to thousands and thousands of human lifetime emptiness.

With current technology yes. As I edited above, something like solar sails would more of an improvement.

Let's say gravity takes its toll and you can't move out of an orbit. Gravity is always at work (it's how our planets are constantly orbiting the sun), assuming you actually land somewhere, you still need to generate some kind of force or energy enough to break the gravity pull to even lift off again... unless you plan on drifting forever.

Yes, that would be a problem. The problem with a debate like this is that we base things on what we currently know (obviously) about a field that we've only been working in for about forty to fifty years meaning we know very little of how to do anything especially since we're limited by the technology of the present.

Sounds like a psychological phenomenon and I've honestly never heard of that. If time has no end, would you truly have a sense of "quickness"?

Yeah, you just perceive time going quicker. I don't know if I explained it clearly the first time but that is what it essentially is. I've heard it about it before and it makes sense though Wiki says that it's still controversial at the moment.

And how would they do that? How do you prepare for eternity of nothingness? It can't be done as far as I'm concerned. We're humans.

I don't know the answer but if it's something that an immortal has to face then they will have to deal with it someway or another.

But the chances that humans do that is very, very slim.

The amount of energy required to travel galaxies that wouldn't last a lifetime is absolutely daunting. We don't even have the stuff to travel past our own moon yet and considering the problems this planet already has about the Earth itself, we aren't going anywhere anytime soon.

There is an extremely high chance the world ends before technology of such magnitude ever comes about, and again, even if you had that technology, it would only be traveling in emptiness as opposed to sitting in it.

Well, to be fair, we're still using chemical rockets and other techniques that were all the rage forty years ago. Who's to say that in two hundred years or five hundred years we won't discover a way to travel through space quicker? It's difficult to imagine now but it's always difficult to imagine things that seem like science fiction to us.

 

[Ludger]

Yes, that would be a problem. The problem with a debate like this is that we base things on what we currently know (obviously) about a field that we've only been working in for about forty to fifty years meaning we know very little of how to do anything especially since we're limited by the technology of the present.

Maybe we can improve our tech by learning at ancient civillitation or other civillitation. It is possible that they have a large number at expirience

Yeah, you just perceive time going quicker. I don't know if I explained it clearly the first time but that is what it essentially is. I've heard it about it before and it makes sense though Wiki says that it's still controversial at the moment.

Because the business of people is at large amount. Once again time can be counted and can be very perseptional at different time. As I read, time is moving slower

I don't know the answer but if it's something that an immortal has to face then they will have to deal with it someway or another.

Kinda agree. But usually a person that have a large amount of age has many painful expirience of War, Politics, And someone you love as well. So be prepared with that

There is an extremely high chance the world ends before technology of such magnitude ever comes about, and again, even if you had that technology, it would only be traveling in emptiness as opposed to sitting in it.

My religion tells me that the world will end soon enough and I really believe that

 

[WizardTrubbish]

Sounds like a psychological phenomenon and I've honestly never heard of that. If time has no end, would you truly have a sense of "quickness"?

And how would they do that? How do you prepare for eternity of nothingness? It can't be done as far as I'm concerned. We're humans.

You're perception of time does speed up as you get older, but I agree that nothing can prepare someone for an eternity of nothingness. Besides, no matter how much your perception of time speeds up, an eternity wil;l not be short.

 

[DiaRubyTandem]

u cant do that... and if u die u want feel anything... it just dreamless, ya know

 

[Vernikova]

Maybe we can improve our tech by learning at ancient civillitation or other civillitation. It is possible that they have a large number at expirience

Because the business of people is at large amount. Once again time can be counted and can be very perseptional at different time. As I read, time is moving slower

I don't quite understand what you're saying in these two sentences. Do you mind clearing it up?

Besides, no matter how much your perception of time speeds up, an eternity wil;l not be short.

Assuming that the universe will go on forever which may or may not be the case. It's doubtful.

 

[Lucaren]

Hellz yeah i would, i gotta see the end of the world some how so that would be a awesome way! >:]!

 

[DiaRubyTandem]

dont say that! wanna die already? ya know

 

[iCakeify]

Eff no. Too see your family and loved ones die a slow and painful death while still sitting in front of a computer screen and porn surfing as much as you do right now? That doesn't really seem like a fun thing to do, tbh

 

[GhostAnime]

So you say that my estimation of the technology we can come up with isn't probable and we'll never know what we're capable of in 200-500 years..

But who's the say the Earth even lasts to that period? I think the hardest thing to estimate is exactly when the world ends. It's much easier to estimate what we could possibly create.

However, look at the rate we are currently going.. I don't see a galaxy traveling machine any time soon. I suppose something that could maybe reach around our own solar system, but outside of that? Nothing. Perhaps an analogy may suit us:

Let's look at the continental United States for a moment. Imagine if it didn't have its highways. If you went out traveling on a full tank on gas, you likely wouldn't even leave your state. Sure, you'd know the general "east" and "west" direction, but considering all the mountains and hills, who's to say you won't change course? Who's to say you won't get lost?

Our highway systems are successful for the following reasons:

• Gas stations, restaurants, and motels are essentially checkpoints.
• Even if you could not read signs at all, almost every town has a motel, gas station, and checkpoint
• Signs that show miles, destinations, and routes are paths.
• Even if you ran out of fuel, you could just call highway patrol. Possibly even some random stranger could help you out.
• The highways are constantly cleaned and inspected.

Now let's compare the universe to the continental US highway. Well, there certainly aren't signs to tell you where you're going. There are no checkpoints to refuel your body and vehicle. It's mostly desolate, so if you get stuck in a part of the universe where there's literally nothing, you're all alone. By the way, some solar systems and galaxies may not even have a source of light. Can you imagine the possible amount darkness?

So, what does this have to do with technology? Well, the only reason we have a high way system is because there's a clear population of intelligent beings. America is filled with tons of towns and roads already for us. We can clearly measure distances because we can easily travel them. The universe doesn't have that same accessibility. It would take far too long to create conditions in which the universe could be used like a high way system. We haven't even done the most basic thing yet: travel outside of our own "town" (or house considering the size of the universe). That's ignoring the safety conditions as well. Highways are closed and opened depending on how safe they are. The universe? You'd never know if you were traveling into a blackhole or not, and can you imagine being immortal and getting sucked into a black hole? Being hit by possible comets? There's honestly no telling what safety hazards are out there.

Honestly, I see no reason at this point for any person to wish themselves to be immortal, because no human on Earth can be prepared for this based on not just our physical needs, but emotional needs as well. When people say they want to be immortal, they assume the world will last forever. Traveling the universe is a lot like traveling America with a full tank of gas and everybody possibly being in California while you're in... Maine.