You know what really ticks me off?

[Ridley-X4]

Is it 4kids? No license of Haruhi Suzumiya? Nope.

It's rabid fanboys/fangirls who go to the point that they make fanart with their original character and favorite anime characer hugging/kissing/etc. them and fanfics with the two having sex serveral times. :| It's really stupid. I hate obsessive people like that. Sure, I like anime girls, but not to THAT extent. :|

 

[Judai Yuki]

So what it's not hurting anyone.

 

[HK]

Is it 4kids? No license of Haruhi Suzumiya? Nope.

It's rabid fanboys/fangirls who go to the point that they make fanart with their original character and favorite anime characer hugging/kissing/etc. them and fanfics with the two having sex serveral times. :| It's really stupid. I hate obsessive people like that. Sure, I like anime girls, but not to THAT extent. :|

Feh, some people just have fantasies. While I don't really get p*ssed off by some of the lighter stuff that I occasionally see, the rape stuff is where I feel like blowing off some heads with a shot gun (see comments below).

Though, really, I do believe that people who have a fascination that go that far need some serious help.

So what it's not hurting anyone.

So that means that nothing is wrong with having doujinshi drawn of where the female characters in anime are constantly gang-raped and embarrassed by either old men, musclebound guys, or the twisted, sadistic versions of the male characters in the anime that the females are from?

I've seen so many times people say "Well, it's not being forced on you," or "It isn't hurting anyone," and I shake my head each time. Consider a recent rant sent in to ANN's weekly Answerman column: A comparison was made between yaoi and its fangirls to loud music that is played in cars in which the bass and volume is cranked up so damn high that it causes people both psychological and physical problems, not to mention hurt the structures of buildings.

Most otaku and doujinshi artists need to be smacked and given some help from a shrink. Period.

 

[Blackjack Gabbiani]

Nothing wrong with yaoi in and of itself, though. Remember, you can be a rabid fanwhatever of any genre.

 

[Satoshi]

I don't mind fanboys/fangirls looking at and/or drawing softcore hentai. But rape/molestion doujinshi just crosses the line between "fanboyism/fangirlism" and "sadistic pervert".

 

[HK]

Nothing wrong with yaoi in and of itself, though. Remember, you can be a rabid fanwhatever of any genre.

Oh, no, certainly not saying that. One of the biggest problems with both shounen-ai and yaoi, though, is when you have young fangirls immediately take to it just because "OMG two hawt guys!!" being intimate with one another. Because it is "different" they take to it and decide to focus so much on the pairing, whether it exists or not, that they don't care about anything else. Hell, that's the biggest problem with Fullmetal Alchemist fangirls.

Then, we get to rape (hetero or not) in hentai and doujinshi, and that is a whole other issue...

 

[Razorback Kirby]

people who wear socks with sandals tick me off

 

[Cloud Strife]

people who wear socks with sandals tick me off

Me too actyually. And shouldj't this go in the shipping section though? I could see going here too, but it does seem shipping to me.

 

[Minami Itsuki]

people who wear socks with sandals tick me off

Chumpstains who spam tick me off. ;D

Indeed. That ticks me off as well (hentai doujinshis). Especially the way they show the characters.

And HK is correct~Getting raped, gang raped, embarassed by older men...that's just wrong. << They're using the characters to show their sexual fantasies, but they don't know what they're doing is demoralizing the character. >>

Tis a sad, sad world.

 

[Kez]

I don't mind fanboys/fangirls looking at and/or drawing softcore hentai. But rape/molestion doujinshi just crosses the line between "fanboyism/fangirlism" and "sadistic pervert".

I have to agree with this comment. I mean, I do not watch it, but if people want to, then it is up to them.
But if someone wants to watch something where someone is been raped or molestered, then there is something wrong with their head. I mean, who in their right mind would want to watch something like that, animated or not?

 

[Fullmetal_Alchemist]

Obviously I'd never condone real life rape, but people enjoy reading non-con doujinshi/fanfic because maybe they like that feeling of complete domination, of just letting someone else do whatever they want?

And of course, there is a pretty big difference between watching someone being raped for real and reading about it in a fanfic where it's happening to fictional characters.

 

[Cutiebunny]

people who wear socks with sandals tick me off

Some of us don't want our feet to get sunburn, thankyou.

I don't have a problem with doujinshi. It's rather well drawn for the most part, and the stories lines are interesting. I don't care for the tentacle monster and it's never-ending pursuit of teenage arse, but, I'd rather that those who read it fantasize about it than actually go out and do it.

 

[Kez]

Some of us don't want our feet to get sunburn, thankyou.

I don't have a problem with doujinshi. It's rather well drawn for the most part, and the stories lines are interesting. I don't care for the tentacle monster and it's never-ending pursuit of teenage arse, but, I'd rather that those who read it fantasize about it than actually go out and do it.

Or some people have hairy toes and are ashamad of them. lol

Well, I suppose that you do have a point. But it can't be, and I use this word loosly, 'norman' for people to watch that and enjoy it.

 

[HK]

Obviously I'd never condone real life rape, but people enjoy reading non-con doujinshi/fanfic because maybe they like that feeling of complete domination, of just letting someone else do whatever they want?

Like I said, they need some help.

And of course, there is a pretty big difference between watching someone being raped for real and reading about it in a fanfic where it's happening to fictional characters.

I don't have a problem with doujinshi. It's rather well drawn for the most part, and the stories lines are interesting. I don't care for the tentacle monster and it's never-ending pursuit of teenage arse, but, I'd rather that those who read it fantasize about it than actually go out and do it.

I've seen that said too many damn times...

Look, the problem either way is that the desire to rape, molest, kill, whatever is there in those cases. People who get off on that, the fact that they are seeing someone, fictional or not, getting raped and they enjoy it. The fact that this is inconsideration to the original work aside, you don't believe that it is a problem that there are those who like to see rape/molestation/pedophilia/beastality/et cetra?

An idea can be just as powerful and damaging as an action. If I were to say that I like people dying and to see others get killed, and while I'm not actually doing it, you wouldn't say that that isn't wrong?

I just can't stand most hentai and doujinshi all together.

 

[Mumage]

I think anyone who describes "rape" as a okay thing to do, should go to hell and die. But other than that, some shows just want to explain to the viewers that rape is a terrible thing, and that no one in the world should experience such things.

 

[HK]

I think anyone who describes "rape" as a okay thing to do, should go to hell and die. But other than that, some shows just want to explain to the viewers that rape is a terrible thing, and that no one in the world should experience such things.

Now and Then, Here and There and Perfect Blue do a perfect job of that. The pseudo-rape scene in Perfect Blue just makes anyone watching it way too uncomfortable, and the only way that you can watch that scene without cringing is if you are a sick b*stard who gets off on that. Now and Then, Here and There, in combination with being a very sorrowful tale of war and how much it can corrupt the soldiers and civilians involved, is essentially a tale of a loss of innocence, and frankly I don't think that I've ever appreciated subtlety in any other piece of fiction, except for perhaps Evangelion. What Sara went through in the entire story will make anyone anyone feel the deepest sympathies for her (well, as much as a fictional, drawn character can).

I think that it was those two anime, along with the slight exposure to hentai and doujinshi that I've seen in the past year, as well as the live-action movie A Clockwork Orange that made my view of rape, molestation, and pedophilia as strong as it is. I never took any of the actions as something to condone before I watched/read those things, but after witnessing it all I personally get emotionally sickened when I see anything relating to them, fictional or otherwise. Now and Then, Here and There, Perfect Blue, and A Clockwork Orange actually shows you and tells you that there ARE consequences to those acts, and that for the victim they are nothing short of horrorific.

I'd like to see somebody try to convince me that it is any less wrong to fantasize about rape, because they would fail.

 

[Yamato-san]

the thing is, there's a huge difference between realistic rape and fantasy rape. I agree with your Perfect Blue example, that movie truley made it come off as a very horrific event that you wouldn't wish upon anybody. However, in most hentai, "rape" seems to involve guys coming onto a girl against their will, yet she's not struggling like a mad woman to get out of the situation, but rather just sitting there and taking it (at most, they might have their hands restrained, but even then, I don't see them trying their damndest to pull their hands away or break the ropes loose or kick or whatever). Plus, some fictional rape actually has the girl enjoy it about halfway in. If the girl's struggling, screaming, and even killing their assailant by picking up a nearby object to smash their skull with like in Perfect Blue, that's horrible. If the girl's just taking it, acting little different from how she'd act if she consented, then that looks pretty hot.

 

[That Scary Clefairy]

the thing is, there's a huge difference between realistic rape and fantasy rape. I agree with your Perfect Blue example, that movie truley made it come off as a very horrific event that you wouldn't wish upon anybody. However, in most hentai, "rape" seems to involve guys coming onto a girl against their will, yet she's not struggling like a mad woman to get out of the situation, but rather just sitting there and taking it (at most, they might have their hands restrained, but even then, I don't see them trying their damndest to pull their hands away or break the ropes loose or kick or whatever). Plus, some fictional rape actually has the girl enjoy it about halfway in. If the girl's struggling, screaming, and even killing their assailant by picking up a nearby object to smash their skull with like in Perfect Blue, that's horrible. If the girl's just taking it, acting little different from how she'd act if she consented, then that looks pretty hot.

to the bolded, if that's the case than it isn't rape. Rape is dominating another against their will and the victum does not want to take it. The bolded seems the opposite.

Also to note for all of you is that not all doujinshi involve rape, molestion etc. there are gag or comedy doujinshi also which crack me up.

Rape is crazy, and it is bad but one thing I do like is that those events are able to pull off great and powerful scenes that affect the story and its audeinces. Berserk is one prime example.

 

[HK]

the thing is, there's a huge difference between realistic rape and fantasy rape. I agree with your Perfect Blue example, that movie truley made it come off as a very horrific event that you wouldn't wish upon anybody. However, in most hentai, "rape" seems to involve guys coming onto a girl against their will, yet she's not struggling like a mad woman to get out of the situation, but rather just sitting there and taking it (at most, they might have their hands restrained, but even then, I don't see them trying their damndest to pull their hands away or break the ropes loose or kick or whatever). Plus, some fictional rape actually has the girl enjoy it about halfway in. If the girl's struggling, screaming, and even killing their assailant by picking up a nearby object to smash their skull with like in Perfect Blue, that's horrible. If the girl's just taking it, acting little different from how she'd act if she consented, then that looks pretty hot.

I beg the question of honestly, do you really believe that any of the female characters who do that, let alone in real life, would start to really "dig" getting raped? Most of that stuff, including the ones where hardly any effort is in putting off the rapists, is just guys drawing pictures of their desires of rape and trying to make it "right" and "decent."

I seriously don't see what is hot about rape in any context. If I'm going to go off for real porn of hentai when I have nothign better to do, I'll take the traditional sex. The fanboys can go and get help.

to the bolded, if that's the case than it isn't rape. Rape is dominating another against their will and the victum does not want to take it. The bolded seems the opposite.

See my reply to Yamato-san. There are certain rarities, but can you really imagine that many girls really getting into being raped?

Also to note for all of you is that not all doujinshi involve rape, molestion etc. there are gag or comedy doujinshi also which crack me up.

Oh, certainly. I've encountered a few doujinshi that were actually actually decent with its sexual content. Some actually don't have any and go for straight-out plots, which is nice. Then, like you mentioned, we get the comedy doujinshi. Reminds me of "EvaComics," a comic by an English Evangelion fan that takes a comical look at what happens after the movie. Funny as hell, that stuff right there, not to mention it has one of the funniest lines that I've ever heard.

Rape is crazy, and it is bad but one thing I do like is that those events are able to pull off great and powerful scenes that affect the story and its audeinces. Berserk is one prime example.

Agreed... when it actually shows the consequences for the act. If the victim falls in love with her rapist or else runs to help to another man and falls in love with him, then I find that unrealistic and in bad taste. When shown realistically, however, as in the case with Perfect Blue, Now and Then, Here and There, and Berserk. Hell, even the most revolting piece of fiction ever created by man, Koroshiya Ichi, shows this to some effect.

 

[BlueFlameCharizard]

I think the only time I would ever have an issue is if I made a character from scratch (exp. if it was a character that describes or symbolizes myself (aka, like a Blue Flamed Charizard)) and they started doing yiffy pictures with it that take me/them out of character...