Zangoose or Seviper: Who's better?

[Auraninja]

Note: This is not who you're favorite is, this is who is better at battling.

Okay, well I looked into this some and I tried to find out who is better. So in some categories...

Ability:
Winner: Seviper
Zangoose has Immunity, which is all well and good, but Seviper is Poison type, which makes it immune to Poison as well. Not only is Seviper immune to Poison, but its Shed Skin ability revives it from other conditions.

Signature move:
Winner: Zangoose
I like Poison Tail better, so I would hate to say that Crush Claw is better. Poison Tail can be supported by STAB, and it is rare in the fact of having two effects. It can have a Critical Hit making it like Slash, and it can also have Poison. However, Crush Claw has a 50% percent chance of lowering Defense. You can't argue with that statistic, and Zangoose's physical ability very well utilizes that.

I'll try to think of more things. BTW, do not just say one is better just because of having a higher tier (OU/UU). Prove yourself in this discussion.

 

[JJAB91]

I go with Seviper

 

[Vix]

;335; ;336;

These two pokemon are high on my overall favorite list, I have always wanted to see them in a team battle in the anime. I think they could work SO well together if the trainer could get them past the hatred.

Out of the two, I would say Zangoose is a tad better. It has a wider TM pool; Zangoose can be an ace in the hole depending on how you set it up.

 

[dArK_pOkEmOn_lOvEr]

I would go with Seviper. People always say it's overrated, but Seviper is a really good PKMN, the Poison type needed Seviper badly.

Ok, this would be a very close battle since Seviper can't posion Zangoose bc of it Immunity ablility. Their base DEFENSE and SP.D are the exact same, 60, as is HP, 73. Zangoose is faster than Seviper, 90>65, as is his ATTACK, 115>100. Seviper does however have a higher Sp.A than Zangoose, 100>60.

Zangoose can't learn any Psychic or Ground attacks, so Seviper doesnt have to worry about that. But, Seviper in turn doesnt learn any fighting attacks to expolit Zangoose's weakness. So, they are again even in this senario.

Zangoose would no doubt strike first, possibly a swords dance? Or it may simply try to KO Seviper asap with either Crush Claw or Return. Either way, I think it would take at least 2-3 turns to KO Seviper.

Seviper would have to go second. Since Seviper has no attack that can take down Zangoose in a turn or two, it'd have to use either Swagger or Glare to win this battle. And a Swagger could ruin Zangoose's chances at defeating Seviper. (Bug Attack plus confusion = Huge backlash). This could weaken Zangoose enuff for Seviper to get in a Sludge Bomb or something to finish Zangoose.

In conclusion, if Seviper's Swagger or Glare work, Seviper would win this contest.

 

[Auraninja]

Out of the two, I would say Zangoose is a tad better. It has a wider TM pool; Zangoose can be an ace in the hole depending on how you set it up.

Yet the weakness of the movepool is that a lot of it is Special moves that would not help Zangoose at all.

Movepool:
Winner: Seviper
Zangoose gets a lot of unnecessary special moves, which don't help it. However, it does get very useful physical moves like Shadow Ball and Brick Brake, which helps it make use of it's high Attack power. However, since Seviper has equally good Attack and Special Attack, it is a little bit more versatile. It can use Sludge Bomb, Crunch, and even Earthquake, a move appearently missing for Zangoose. Heck, you can give him Flamethrower if you want him too, but people probably wouldn't do that a whole lot since he can rid of Grass types with Poison.

 

[Angelic Elf Ivy]

It's a good poison type, and pretty good in battle too. *sigh* And it can learn some really good attacks like crunch. =3

 

[dArK_pOkEmOn_lOvEr]

I have Flamethrower on my Seviper, lol. It's just too freaking cool to imagine flamethrower coming from a Seviper...>_<.

I believe my post above clearly explains why Seviper has just a tiny bit more of a chance of winning this contest.

 

[Pikachu1125]

Zangoose for sure, just look and the high attack and decent speed. Seviper's good at both atk and sp. atk, but mix sweeping sucks. Also Zangoose's immunity is just sexy.

 

[Raider Phoenix]

In my opinion Zangoose is much better. For me a Zangoose with Swords Dance, Slash, Crush Claw, Brick Break or Detect, has won a decent amount of battles. Detect might be the better choice because it might not be a good idea for Zangoose to have all of his move slots filled with offensive attacks.

 

[Vampiric Knight]

Although Seviper has the offensive stats and TMs to be a mixed sweeper, it's Spd hurts it from doing a lot of damage without being knocked out quickly. Zangoose, on the other hand, has pretty good Atk and Spd to be an excellent physical sweeper and do some good hurting before it gets knocked out.

 

[Tazzler]

I like Seviper but Stabbed (either choice band or swords danced) return spells the end of seviper.

 

[AJ Flibble]

Zangoose is better, I hate to say. Zangoose looks like a particuarly retarded Pika, while Seviper is very cool indeed.

 

[Auraninja]

I would go with Seviper. People always say it's overrated, but Seviper is a really good PKMN, the Poison type needed Seviper badly.

Ok, this would be a very close battle since Seviper can't posion Zangoose bc of it Immunity ablility. Their base DEFENSE and SP.D are the exact same, 60, as is HP, 73. Zangoose is faster than Seviper, 90>65, as is his ATTACK, 115>100. Seviper does however have a higher Sp.A than Zangoose, 100>60.

Zangoose can't learn any Psychic or Ground attacks, so Seviper doesnt have to worry about that. But, Seviper in turn doesnt learn any fighting attacks to expolit Zangoose's weakness. So, they are again even in this senario.

Zangoose would no doubt strike first, possibly a swords dance? Or it may simply try to KO Seviper asap with either Crush Claw or Return. Either way, I think it would take at least 2-3 turns to KO Seviper.

Seviper would have to go second. Since Seviper has no attack that can take down Zangoose in a turn or two, it'd have to use either Swagger or Glare to win this battle. And a Swagger could ruin Zangoose's chances at defeating Seviper. (Bug Attack plus confusion = Huge backlash). This could weaken Zangoose enuff for Seviper to get in a Sludge Bomb or something to finish Zangoose.

In conclusion, if Seviper's Swagger or Glare work, Seviper would win this contest.

I didn't see your post when I responded to another, but you have brought another thing into the discussion, non-attacking moves. Glare, for example, could lower Zangoose's speed. Not only that, but it reduces it's chance of attacking to fifty percent of the time, leaving things up to luck, so yeah, that is another thing to consider.

 

[-SI-]

I would have to say Zangoose.
With the right training, can be an Uber Physical Attacker..

 

[Grass Guardian]

I love Zangoose. He's always had a special place in my heart so I pick him. I'm sure he could beat Seviper in a battle especially flailgoose.

Yet the weakness of the movepool is that a lot of it is Special moves that would not help Zangoose at all.

Movepool:
Winner: Seviper
Zangoose gets a lot of unnecessary special moves, which don't help it. However, it does get very useful physical moves like Shadow Ball and Brick Brake, which helps it make use of it's high Attack power. However, since Seviper has equally good Attack and Special Attack, it is a little bit more versatile. It can use Sludge Bomb, Crunch, and even Earthquake, a move appearently missing for Zangoose. Heck, you can give him Flamethrower if you want him too, but people probably wouldn't do that a whole lot since he can rid of Grass types with Poison.

Venasaur, Vileplume, Victreebell, Cradily and Celebi say hi.

 

[Auraninja]

Well, I thought of something else.

Stat distributation:
Winner: Zangoose
First of all, their HP, and Defense are the same, so we look at the Attack and Speed stats. Although Seviper has been given more versality, Zangoose is given the ability to give a quick and deadly attack. Though its stats would not cover high Defense Pokemon, it's moves would go otherwise. Brick Brake can hurt Regirock, Steelix, and Shellder all through the line, and since it's Brick Brake, you don't have to worry about the annoying Reflect that would otherwise hinder your efforts.

 

[Volteon]

I prefer Zangoose.
Seviper´s average S.attack for a mixed swepper thing doesn´t attract me as much as Zangoose´s Endure + Flail!

 

[≈*Virulent Tsunami*≈]

Zangoose is better. And I do like it more, while I agree that Seviper is incredibly cool.

≈*V Tsun*≈
The 8th Champion​

 

[Atoyont]

Meh, Zangoose is better at battling, though both Pokémon can do well as Choice Banders. I don't have a particular favorite, though.

 

[Auraninja]

Really, and I hate to say it, but I think Zangoose is just a little better. The thing is, Zangoose has better Speed, so it gets to launch a deadly attack quickly. For those with good defense that would otherwise soften Zangoose's Attack, Zangoose is able to use Brick Brake to get through Regirock, Steelix, Aggron and Cloyster. The ability to use good Attacks with good speed is what gives Zangoose and advantage. Let's not forget STAB, and an attack that cuts the opponents Attack 50% is remarkable.

Now Seviper isn't bad. Its Shed Skin allows recovery from status conditions, which is rather useful. It can use attacks such as Earthquake, but a Poison attack would be even more useful. Poison Tail vs. Sludge Bomb is like Slash vs. Return. Really, Poison Tail would be deadly with luck, so luck would play a part with Poison Tail. It is slightly more versatile than Zangoose, so you can give it strong moves as well as status moves which we shouldn't overlook. The problem is Speed, which makes Seviper unable to attack first a lot of the time, although there are slow Pokemon which would make Seviper attack first. Seviper is truly good with what can do, and it can have a set of great moves, but I wouldn't say Seviper has the battle abilities Zangoose has.