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BF Team

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BigCharizard

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This will be my first time doing the BF, so I'm hoping this team will do well:

Starmie @ Shell Bell
Trait: Natural Cure
Modest Nature
Surf
Psychic
Thunderbolt
Ice Beam

Metagross @ Lum Berry/Choice Band
Adamant Nature
Meteor Mash
Earthquake
Explosion
Agility/Shadow Ball/Rock Slide (not sure which would be best)

Weezing @ Leftovers
Impish Nature
Sludge Bomb
Haze
Will-o-Wisp
Rest (can't find my LG cartridge, so no Pain Split)

I also have some alternates who could replace Starmie:

Sceptile
Timid Nature
Leaf Blade
Thunderpunch (after I get some BPs)
Leech Seed
Substitute

Jolteon
Timid Nature
Thunderbolt
Bite
Baton Pass
Agility

Espeon
Timid Nature
Psychic
Bite
Baton Pass
Calm Mind

Any advice would be much appreciated.
 
Give Metagross Lum Berry with Agility in the last slot. Agiligross has worked successfully for me.
I don't think Starmie needs to be replaced. Its a good special sweeper.
 
Don't replace anything with Starmie. Your Starmie looks perfect

About Metagross, give lum berry and teach Shadow ball
 
Pokemanyak said:
Don't replace anything with Starmie. Your Starmie looks perfect

About Metagross, give lum berry and teach Shadow ball
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Should I use Shadow Ball over Explosion or Agility?

EDIT: I think I'm gonna use Rock Slide rather than Shadow Ball, since both can hit Shedinja.
 
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I like Meta without Shadow Ball if it's Agiligross, but if you're using CB you should teach it Shadow Ball over Explosion (I personally think that Agiligross is more effective in the BF). Like the others said, Starmie is great (I use one that is exactly the same and it works wonders just about everywhere in the BF). As for Weezing, it's not my favorite, but I see why you would use it. This looks like a good team.
 
BigCharizard said:
This will be my first time doing the BF, so I'm hoping this team will do well:

Starmie @ Shell Bell
Trait: Natural Cure
Modest Nature
Surf
Psychic
Thunderbolt
Ice Beam

Metagross @ Lum Berry/Choice Band
Adamant Nature
Meteor Mash
Earthquake
Explosion
Shadow Ball Hit those pesky Ghosts for SA.

Weezing @ Leftovers
Impish Nature
Sludge Bomb
Shadow Ball
Will-o-Wisp
Explosion

Since you have some of the move son Metagross replace weezing for Sceptile.

I also have some alternates who could replace Weezing:

Sceptile
Modest Nature
Leaf Blade
Thunderpunch (after I get some BPs)
Leech Seed
Dragon Claw

Just no for Jolteon, sorry.

Espeon too.

Any advice would be much appreciated.
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Suggestions in Bold.
 
Well, I decided to go with Agiligross, and I started in the Battle Arena. Don't know why I was concerned about Starmie, he raped pretty much everything. Weezing, on the other hand, was rather underwhelming, and since I forgot that some of his IVs aren't very good, I've decided it would be best to replace him. I'm considering Dusclops, since he can wall both Physical and Special. I'd likely use this set:

Dusclops @ Leftovers
Shadow Ball
Focus Punch/Seismic Toss
Will-o-Wisp
Rest
 
Dusclops is a good choice. Give it a careful nature.
Seismic Toss is good enough. Focus Punch won't be reliable, since you need good predictions, which isn't easy in in-game.
 
get lum berry for starmie and it will be perfect and none of your 3 pokemon can replace starmie in terms of effective sweeping

agiligross is fine, just dont give choice band, especially when you are using it in battle arena

as for dusclops, get rid of shadow ball even though STAB is good as dusclops' attack is really too low to deal any significant damage with shadow ball. if you are low on battle points, get night shade instead of seismic toss. i would prefer to replace shadow ball with imprison. it helps to counter resters in frontier while you burn them and rest yourself when low on health
 
Gilgamesh said:
No. You need to switch in order to make Natural Cure work, Lum Berry cures status immediately. Shell Bell stinks.
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Even then, Starmie can cure itself of statuses without Lum Berry. Also if Starmie does gets Lum Berry, then Metagross (Agility version) has no good item. Leftovers has gone to Dusclops.
 
Sodarayg said:
Even then, Starmie can cure itself of statuses without Lum Berry. Also if Starmie does gets Lum Berry, then Metagross (Agility version) has no good item. Leftovers has gone to Dusclops.
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Since the OP hasn't bothered to update his first post, I don't know what the Pokemon on his team are. But that is irrelevant, since your comment about Starmie not needing Lum Berry and Shell Bell being perfect was false anyway.
 
Pokemanyak said:
I agree. Shell bell works good on pokemon with high attack and low speed. Starmie often hits her opponent first. That doesn't give her good HP
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It doesn't matter if the Pokémon hits the opponent first or last. Shell Bell restores HP, when the user has damaged the opponent.
Gilgamesh said:
Since the OP hasn't bothered to update his first post, I don't know what the Pokemon on his team are. But that is irrelevant, since your comment about Starmie not needing Lum Berry and Shell Bell being perfect was false anyway.
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Everything is relevant. Thats why I mentioned this advice in the first place. Shell Bell may not be a great item, but its best suited for Starmie in this case...
 
the reason why shell bell is not used is that the hp restore is really too little. the little hp healed is not going to make too much of a difference on starmie's low hp and defences. heal or no heal with shell bell and starmie is still going to get killed by 1 or 2 attacks. the main purpose of starmie is to sweep and sweep and nothing else. lum berry gets rid of pesky confuse, paralysis, sleep and freeze which stops starmie from sweeping and is much better than shell bell's insignificant heal.
 
It doesn't matter if the Pokémon hits the opponent first or last. Shell Bell restores HP, when the user has damaged the opponent.
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Say you have Dragonite with Shell Bell. Your Dragonite hit its opponent first.(Shell bell didn't work because your health is full). Opponent attacked you but couldn't kill. Your 2nd attack beat the foe and you gain very little Hp.

If your Dragonite would have lower speed than the opponent Shell Bell would restore your HP more. Try to battle with it before saying something
 
It doesn't matter if the Pokémon hits the opponent first or last. Shell Bell restores HP, when the user has damaged the opponent.
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Actually, it does matter. A slow, hard-hitting Pokemon would recover some HP every turn it attacks, a fast one wouldn't.

Shell Bell is an item that should always be avoided, if possible. That's why calling it "perfect" is stupid, no matter what the situation.
 
^Yeah the only "Perfect" Item is probably Lum Berry or Leftovers, depending on who you use it on. Even then, there are still flaws. The combo I really like is the Sycronize/Lum Berry Combo, but still it doesn't always work.
 
Sorry Pokemanyak, I misunderstood what you were saying before. You are correct & I was also aware of this previously, but not at that moment.

Gilgamesh, I am sure you understand what I mean by my statement. I never intended that Shell Bell is a number 1 item and should be used on every Starmie. Like I said before I am only saying that in this case, Shell Bell seems to be the only useful item on Starmie. If you have any better other item other than Lum Berry and Leftovers, please suggest it..., since I obviously can't think of any.
 
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