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Fire-Based team

Samus27

New Member
I know it's really a dumb idea to have a fire based team, but it is quite possible with the right combinations of items and movesets. So, can anyone give me a few ideas on an ideal moveset for this team, one that would of course, cover it's rather-obvious flaws.

Charizard
Charcoal

Typhlosion
Charcoal

Blaziken
Blackbelt

Infernabpe (you guessed it)
Blackbelt

Flareon ;136;
Wise Glasses/Charcoal/Focus Band

Arcanine
Item not decided.

Thanks!
 
I dont think your idea will work, but its worth a shot. To cover its weaknesses, try sunnybeaming sets. Also, cover your psychic weaknesses, use shadow claw.

If all else, it will beat my steel team...
 
an all fire team isnt dumb, ive done one
the only difference in mine and urs is i have a magmortar instead of a flareon, i suggest u get one because they can learn psychic, thunderbolt, earthquake, soalrbeam ( in fact most fire types can learn a grass attack, its either solarbeam or grass knot.) make sure u have sunny day and solarbeam in a moves set, one ture beam, and a fire boost
on charizard a ground attack would be good to cover electric types, and on blaze and infer u may need a way to cover both psychics and flying types
 
So far for movesets I'm thinking:

Charizard:
-Earthquake
-Heat Wave/Flamethrower
-Reversal/Revenge/Air Slash/Shadow Claw
-Blast Burn

Typhlosion:
-Lava Plume
-Sunny Day
-Solarbeam
-Focus Blast

Blaziken:
-Sky Uppercut
-Blaze Kick
-Focus Energy/Reversal
-Night Slash

Infernape:
-Shadow Claw
-Brick Break/Focus Bunch/Close Combat
-Blast Burn/Heat Wave
-Thunderpunch

Flareon:
-Sunny Day
-Fire Fang/Blast
-Iron Tail/Yawn
-Facade/Wish

Arcanine:
-Extreme Speed
-Thunder Fang
-Falemthrower/Heat Wave
-Solarbeam

I have my reasons for all of them but right now, I don't have the time to explain them.

If items like Charcoal, Wise Glasses, and Blackbelt are pointless, reccommend me some, that's the whole purpose of this thread!
 
Hey, wise glasses are good. charcoal, black belt etc suck.
Dont use hyper beams ever...EVER!!!!!!!!!!BLAST BURN=BAD.

Charizard@Choice specs/Scarf
Modest/Timid
Flamethrower/heatwave
Air Slash
Focus Blast
Dragon Pulse/Overheat

Typlosion want Eruption/flamethrower, not lava plume.

Blaziken
Adamant
Flare Blitz
Sky Uppercut
Night Slash/Stone Edge
Swords Dance

Infernape
Hasty
Flamethrower/Flare Blitz
Close Combat
Thunderpunch
U-Turn/Grass Knot

Flareon....no...

Arcanine
Adamant/Jolly
Flare Blitz
Thunderfang
Crunch
Extreme Speed
 
My response in no particular order:

No... just no. I really could agree with the flareon-Magmortar switch because flareon has a bad moveset and lackluster stats. But what does everyone have against 1.1x items like charcoal and blackbelt? I've gotten no suggestions other than Life Orb and that's not an improvement over charcoal at all. And for Wise Glasses, it pretty much does the same thing as charcoal and blackbelt, but for multiple moves, not just fire and fighting. Which is why I chose to use it, but I only have one set, whereas I can get multiple blackbelts and I HAVE three charcoal.

I chose Lava Plume for Typhlosion because Typholsion's attack is much, much better than his special attack, so it's much more powerful than flamethrower/fire blast.

And seeing as how I'm not doing uber-competitive play, natures make no difference. I would never battle these guys at over level 50, and natures won't affect stats enough to change the tide of battle. It's not like I'm going to Vitamin these guys up, or max out their EVs and breed for beneficial natures+best IVs. No, I don't do that snobby competitive play because it's not fun in my book. I battle with chosen party pokemon that I obtain rather early and pit them against my friend's party pokemon. None of my friends specialty breed for preferential IVs and natures either, we just battle for fun. Besides, picking natures, IVs and using vitamins is no fun. Half of the experience is the luck factor.

Anyway, that's my preference. Now, I would breed for better IVs and natures if I were actually doing real competitive play, but this team will be mostly for my own fun and experience (first actual team I've ever built, other than the teams I take through the story mode) and for playful battles with my friends.

wagner- your manaphy is a legendary, and I don't battle with legendaries unless it's a strictly-legendary battle. Therefore you'd have to exchange him for something else. And a solarbeam takes care of the starmie, rampardos, garchomp, and gliscor, if used under the right circumstances. Thunderpunch would rape that Gyarados sideways, upside down, left and right, and inside out or however you prefer it. And I could definitely do work on whatever you replace manaphy with.

Thanks a lot for the advice guys. I know charcoal and blackbelt aren't preferred, but what else can I use? And should I replace the Flareon with a rapidash instead? I can't get a magmortar because they are REALLY hard to come by. I can't even GTS a magby because I haven't seen anything in the family, and magmarizers are expensive.

Another thing, about proposed movesets. What makes Overheat better than Blast Burn? Overheat can only be used once, and it has to be used last too. That's the exact same as Blast burn, only blast burn is more powerful. And notice how I chose it for only ONE pokemon because I couldn't think of a better move? And I hate those huge-recoil moves like wood hammer and flare blitz unless you have a lot of HP with a lot of defense. And none of my choice pokemon have either of those. Flare Blitz once and then I become too vulnerable for my own good.

Pachirisu- why U-turn or grass not? That covers the water types, but so does thunderpunch.... No-one in their right mind uses gastrodon, whiscash or quagsire because they aren't that great, and if I did happen to find one, I would close combat it for a near-instant kill. And I wouldn't replace night slash with stone edge on blaziken becuase night slash is for the psychic types, stone edge does nothing for them. I like your Arcanine set, but what's crunch for? Without STAB, Crunch is almost useless to Arcanine, it doesn't cover any of his weaknesses, and at 80 power, it's pointless to have. It doesn't even make the foe flinch anymore. But I love all the other choices. Didn't think of swords dance, but my pokemon don't really have the leisure to use those kinds of moves- they aren't tanky enough. All of them tend to have great attacks/speeds, but low low low low defenses and sp. defenses. That's the problem with most fire pokemon. And none of your reccommended movelists include solarbeam, why?

Anyhow, I'm sorry if that sounds complanatory/neative/whiney/overuse of frontslashes. I really am glad I'm getting good advice. Thanks a lot guys, I will take into consideration all this advice.
 
to cover a larger vairety of types with these pokemon teach blaziken brave bird. sure theres recoil but itd help i hope
 
Thats exactly the point. THEY EFFECT MULTIPLE ATTACKS. if the set is done right, charcoal would only be enhancing ONE attack. if you use items like muscle band, wise glasses, expert belts, and life orbs, you can influence the entire set. much more worth it.

Lava plume is special genius. and according to STATS typhlosion is better off special. his movepool may scream physical, but its better off ignored.

If you started nature training, you would find it very rewarding to know that that pkmn is the best you could make it(i dont ev train or iv train, so this is enough for me).And it actually does effect it alot. my manaphy is mild, and has a crazy high speed IV. Im still training him, but hes faster than a Rapidash thats 9 levels over him. rapidash's primary stat is speed. thats crazy talk.

Dont rely on solarbeam so much, fire pkmn cant always fend off there enemies w/ that.

Recoil moves are a great asset dont disgrace them. overheat would be used in a choice set, as hit and run. im not sure on this, but hyperbeams make you stay after you use them. you cant run!

nice job forgetting swampert genius!
Stone edge covers fliers. you need to have different focuses. I doubt your blaziken is going up against psychic types. it can pull of night slash on novelty sets, and i like it, but its best w/ stone edge

Crunch is for TYPE COVERAGE!!!!!! arcanine has nothing else going for, and who ever argues crunch?!
Oh, i almost forgot. I kept solarbeam on Typhlosion, so you still have it.
Sidenote: i hate you, temporal guardian......
 
Typhlosion
Seriously,Typhlosion has higher Sp.Atk than it's Atk . Which means that all Psychical moves in your moveset needs to be kicked off .

Moves :
Sunny Day
Solarbeam
Eruption
Swift

You should give it Choice Specs / Wise Glasses . Leftovers works well too .

Charizard
Equal Atk and Sp.Atk,this one can have a variety of attacks . ( I have a Charizard myself, and it is a mixed sweeper that does well . )

Moves :
Earthquake
Heat Wave
Shadow Claw
Dragon Pulse


Blaziken
It has a high attack,but Blaziken has many weaknesses , and it has very little type of different attacks .

Moves
Swords Dance
Sky Uppercut
Stone Edge
Night Slash

Give it Flare Blitz if you want .

Arcanine
Another one that is psychical .

Moves
Thunder Fang
Extreme Speed
Crunch
Flare Blitz

Coverage of Water weaknesses .

Infernape
Mixed sweeper . If not , let it be a Special Sweeper.

Special Sweeper
Moves
Calm Mind
Grass Knot
Flamethrower
Filler .

Mixed Sweeper
Moves
Thunderpunch
Bulk Up/Calm Mind/ Swords Dance
Flamethrower/Flare Blitz
Earthquake / Sky Uppercut

Psychical Sweeper ( If you want to . )
Moves
Swords Dance
Thunderpunch
Stone Edge
Flare Blitz

No flareon . -_- .
I would suggest you Magmotar , seriously . It has a wide variety of attacks .

Psychical
Thunder Punch
Fire Punch
Cross Chop
Rock Slide

Special
Psychic / Thunderbolt / Sunny Day
Thunderbolt / Sunny Day / Psychic
Flamethrower
Solarbeam
 
its prettt=y good but major weakness to water imagine when you lose to that on swampert or gastrodon so horroble so use a sunny beamer like some1 suggested before but his name escapes me
 
wagner- your manaphy is a legendary, and I don't battle with legendaries unless it's a strictly-legendary battle. Therefore you'd have to exchange him for something else. And a solarbeam takes care of the starmie, rampardos, garchomp, and gliscor, if used under the right circumstances. Thunderpunch would rape that Gyarados sideways, upside down, left and right, and inside out or however you prefer it. And I could definitely do work on whatever you replace manaphy with.
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This comment shows that you know nothing about battle. Manaphy is a Legend but not an Uber. Legends are no more powerful than normal Pokemon. Solarbeam super-effective hits only two of them. Garchomp outspeeds everyone one of them except Infernape who is outsped by Starmie, who out speeds every last one of them. Garchomp and Starmie hit super-effective on everyone. Oh, and nowadays I would laugh out loud if you tried Thunderpunch on Gyarados. Step off your freakin' high horse and get some skill.
 
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