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First Stall Team

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crazy_man

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*Note that this is made in-game, so they do not have perfect IV's*



The Physical Wall
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Rotom-W @ Leftovers
252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Bold | Levitate
Pain Split
Thunderbolt
Hydro Pump
Shadow Ball

Basically the anti-Taunter. ;p



The Spinner
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Tentacruel @ Black Sludge
Calm | Liquid Ooze
252 HP / 136 SpD / 120 Def
Rapid Spin
Toxic Spikes
Surf
Sludge Bomb

A great rapid spinner that can switch in and absorb Toxic Spikes. Afterwards Tentacruel can also set up Toxic Spikes. Besides from that he has good bulk and resists a lot of common sweepers. Surf is a reliable STAB move, with Sludge Bomb doing nice damage to any grass poke's (Celebi and Shaymin in particular). Ev's and Nature make sure Tentacruel isn't OHKO'd without the opposing team having some stat boost.



The Anti-Spinner
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Dusclops @ Eviolite
Sassy | Pressure
252 HP / 252 SpD / 4 Def
Pain Spilt
Will-O-Wisp
Shadow Sneak
Night Shade

With Rotom-H no longer having his Ghost typing I had to go with this guy for my Anti-Spinner. Eviolite adds alot of flavor to some poke's this gen on stall teams, and Dusclops is not different. Now with massive defenses (500+) it will be hard to take this one down. Pain Spilt is for recovery of his pathetic HP and, when used right, can deal some nice damage. Night Shade is for consistent damage, and Shadow Sneak to finish off weak poke's with a priority move. His Nature is Sassy because Will-O-Wisp already lowers the opponent's attack.



The Special Wall/ Cleric
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Blissey @ Leftovers
Bold | Natural Cure
252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Aromatherapy
Toxic
Softboiled
Flamethrower

Your standard Cleric set, Blissey is for stopping Sp sweepers in their tracks and providing status cure for the rest of the team. Toxic is for anything Toxic Spikes can't touch, or if it hasn't been set up yet. Flamethrower is her source of damage (finding someone with a Gen III event Chansey with Seismic Toss was impossible), and it's burn chance is a nice help to her horrible defense stat.



The Mixed Wall
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Ferrothorn @ Leftovers
Relaxed | Iron Barbs
252 HP / 44 Def / 212 SpD
Spikes
Leech Seed
Power Whip
Gyro Ball

A superior version of Forrtress (minus lack of Rapid Spin and less Def), Ferrothorn is a great mixed wall. Leftovers+Leech seed provides decent recovery while providing constant damage. Gyro Ball does nice damage because how abysmally slow Ferrothorn is. Power Whip is for handling any bulky ground and water poke's he runs into. EV's are for decent coverage for both Att and SpA sweepers.



The Phazer
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Gyarados @ Leftovers
Impish | Intimidate
252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Rest
Sleep talk
Dragon Tail
Waterfall

With entry hazards like Spikes and Toxic Spikes down, the best way to spread the love is a Phazer. Gyarados has reliable recovery with his RestTalk combo and can have a chance to phaze out while recovering. Waterfall is used over Aqua Tail for better accuracy and its chance to flinch. Dragon Tail is for decent damage before the switch. With Intimidate plus Def EV's, it will be hard for a Att sweeper to bring down Gyaradaos quickly unless they carry around any electric move.
 
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Your team looks great actually, but read the rules. You need a few lines of description for your Pokemon, explaining their role on the team or how do they contribute to stall.

I'm locking this for now. Once you have some descriptions for your Pokemon, PM me them and I'll be happy to unlock this thread (and I hope you do, because this team doesn't really look bad at all!).
 
Dusclops needs max HP EV's, u might think both Def's r better for more pain split recovery but they are not, he needs the HP with his pathetic base like 40 w/e it is
 
Hmm, okay.

As with most stall teams, your bane is against Taunt users, mainly stallbreaker Mew, Taunt Gliscor, and Taunt Skarmory. In fact, Skarmory sets up on your entire team if it's the Taunt/Roost/Whirlwind/Spikes version, as Flamethrower Blissey isn't enough to defeat it (3HKOes specially defensive ones). For Gliscor, yes, you have Tentacruel, but your Tentacruel is fully defensive, and most Gliscors run Speed just to outspeed such Tentacruels (but mainly other Pokemon) and OHKO with Earthquake (with entry hazard/residual support).

Removing Jirachi would probably work wonders. Dual screens, despite their defensive nature, actually don't help stall teams much. Yes, they repel damage, but was it necessary to do that? Blissey can wall all the special attacks in the games (or most of them). It doesn't need help with that. Essentially, dual screens are a waste (and U-turn for that matter... I don't see any use of it on a stall team). If you must have a Wisher, Blissey is your best bet. Flamethrower/Wish/Protect/Toxic can do wonders, and Thunder Wave by itself is not necessary on a stall team (it actually hinders the effects of stall due to being unable to Toxic/burn the target). If you can't get Wish, then you'll probably have to stick with Flamethrower/Softboiled/Aromatherapy/Toxic.

As for Jirachi's replacement, a Pokemon that can fight back against Mew, Skarmory, and Gliscor is ideal. I can't really think much to help your team against these Pokemon that wouldn't slow down the theme of stall... Latias perhaps. It can still utilize Wish if you must have it (albeit much weaker than that of Jirachi's or Blissey's), can take on all three Pokemon's attacks, doesn't mind burn, and has Thunderbolt for Skarmory, Surf for Gliscor, and Draco Meteor to pound Mew (but that's not really reliable). Rotom-W is also decent if you don't mind two Water-types. It has STAB Thunderbolt for Skarmory and STAB Hydro Pump for Gliscor, in addition to Flying and Ground resistance and immunity. The fact that Pain Split isn't stopped from Taunt helps a lot too.
 
So....if I go Rotom-W should I go Physical Wall or Mixed Wall?


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Rotom-W @ Leftovers
252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD or 252 HP/ 136 Def / 120 SpD
Bold or Calm | Levitate
Pain Split
Discharge
Hydro Pump
Shadow Ball


And after that which of all my pokes would be the best to lead with?

With Toxic Spikes still on the field wouldn't Toxic on Blissey be a waste? Or is the chance of a Toxic Spikes absorber that high?
 
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You need at least 2 sweepers imo. (physical and special) Or else like aroma flora said your taunt bait
 
Physically defensive Rotom-W is the best way to go. It needs the defense to take on threats such as Landorus, Excadrill, etc. Also, you may not want Discharge on there as it may interfere with Toxic Spikes/Toxic. Thunderbolt is fine.

As for leading, it depends. Team Preview makes leads not static, so you pick what to lead with at any given time, depending on your foe's team. In general, maybe Ferrothorn to get Spikes up asap.

Toxic will not be a waste on Blissey. Toxic Spikes only affects grounded Pokemon, and as such, Pokemon such as Dragonite, the three genies, Latios and Latias, and the Rotom families would be left untoxicated. That's where Toxic itself will come in handy.
 
Totally forgot about Flying poke's against Spikes/Toxic Spikes, thanks for that and I just changed my Blissey.

Lucky for me I have a Bold Rotom-H (was to be a possible anti-spinner last gen) with vitamins already, so an easy switch to Rotom-W and then he just needs some EV training.
 
All that's left is Dusclops's EV's.

The question is are there more Sp Att or Att Spinners? Same with what would counter him.
 
Haha, it's interesting in that it's about 50/50. Excadrill is the most prominent physical spinner while Starmie and (somewhat) Tentacruel are the more common special spinners. Hmm, it's kinda a hard bet. I think Will-O-Wisp + Pain Split will do enough to most physical attackers so that you don't have to worry about them too much. Try 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD I guess to take on Starmie and Tentacruel better. Your own Tentacruel can absorb the enemy's Tentacruel's Toxic Spikes with no problem, so that isn't an issue.
 
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