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First team.

de0neandonly

New Member
This is my first real competitive team for pokemon so I don't think I really understand alot of the mechanics to competetive battling yet. Well here goes nothing.

Infernape [Focus Sash]
Hasty Nature
64 Atk / 252 SpA / 192 Spe
Fake-out
Stealth Rock
overheat / fire blast
Close Combat

From what ive been able to research, this is the basic Infernape lead. Start off with fake-out. Lay down stealth rock and proceed from there.

Gengar [Choice specs]
Timid Nature
4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Focus Blast
Hidden Power (ice)
Shadow Ball
Thunderbolt

Special sweeper. Not much else to say, guess I might have trouble getting him in at the right time though because of his frail defenses.

Scizor [Choice Band]
Adamant Nature
248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 Spe
U-turn
Bullet Punch
Superpower
Pursuit

Physical Sweeper. However, since i already have a gyarados, will this be necessary?

Gyarados [Life orb]
Adamant Nature
252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Ice Fang / Stone Edge
Waterfall
Dragon Dance
Earthquake

Offensive gyarados. I've been experimenting between ice fang and stone edge, and i think that I'm leaning towards ice fang for now. Opinions?

Salamence [Life orb]
Mild Nature
84 Atk / 216 SpA / 208 Spe
Draco Meteor
Outrage
Fire blast
Earthquake

Mixmence. I really did not know what pokemon to put in this slot, and i guessed i cannot go wrong with a salamence since it can do a decent job at breaking down any kind of wall.

Togekiss [Leftovers]
Calm Nature calm nature
252 HP / 6 Def / 252 SpD
Air Slash
Thunder Wave
Roost
Aura Sphere

Togekiss - set 2
calm nature
252 HP / 64 SpD / 192 Spe
air slash
Baton pass
Nasty plot
Roost

I am new to competetive battling, so I am not quite sure which togekiss moveset better suits my party chemistry.

Any team chemistry tips in general are welcome. Thanks for the help!
 
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New to rating, all changes marked in bold.
This is my first real competitive team for pokemon so I don't think I really understand alot of the mechanics to competetive battling yet. Well here goes nothing.

Infernape [Focus Sash]
Naive/Hasty Nature
64 Atk / 252 SpA / 192 Spe
Fake-out
Stealth Rock
overheat / fire blast
Close Combat/encore

From what ive been able to research, this is the basic Infernape lead. Start off with fake-out. Lay down stealth rock and proceed from there.
Looks good for a lead. You've got the Focus Sash, so use Encore when your down really low to make PKMN repeat moves. Normmaly leads have more "other" moves rather attacking. However, Close Combat works as well.

Gengar [Choice specs]/Black Sludge/ Toxic Orb
Timid Nature
4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Focus Blast
Hidden Power (ice)/Trick
Shadow Ball
Thunderbolt
Looks simmilar to my Gengar. Except mine has Trick and Blacksludge. Which works pretty good on Gengar. However your set seems like it can work as well.
Scizor [Choice Band]
Adamant/Jolly Nature
248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 Spe
U-turn
Bullet Punch
Superpower
Pursuit
Hey, do you happen to read my mind?? This one is just like mine.

Gyarados [Life orb]
Adamant Nature
252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Ice Fang / Stone Edge
Waterfall
Dragon Dance
Earthquake

Offensive gyarados. I've been experimenting between ice fang and stone edge, and i think that I'm leaning towards ice fang for now. Opinions?
Well, Ice Fang and Stone Edge can hit a lot of Pokemon in OU with a 2x/4x weakness. Mine has Ice Fang on it, because I'm annoyed with Dragons.

Salamence [Life orb]
Naughty Nature
84 Atk / 216 SpA / 208 Spe
Draco MeteorDragon Dance
OutrageStone Edge
Fire blast Flamethrower.
Earthquake

Mixmence. I really did not know what pokemon to put in this slot, and i guessed i cannot go wrong with a salamence.
If you want a Rock Type move, throw it on him. Plus, Outrage is a bad Dragon Move IMO. Yeah, it does powerful damage, but I could do the same with Dragon Pulse,AND still switch between other attacks.Also, Flamethrower is an option for better accuracy. If you keep Outrage, replace Draco Meteor with Dragon Dance.

Togekiss [Leftovers]/Life Orb
Modest[/B Nature
252 HP / 6 Def / 252 SpD
Air Slash
Thunder Wave / Nasty Plot
Roost
Aura Sphere
I think Nasty Plot can do some good for you, but Thunder Wave works too. Really scence you have Roost, speed isn't a major problem. Also, you've got roost, so take away leftovers, and give it a Life Orb (or the choice item that raises sp.atk)
Any team chemistry tips in general are welcome. Thanks for the help!


For advice, I can't say much. I would recommend Blissey and Alakazam (Screen Support, and WISH Maker), with the movests off of Smogon. However only do this if your defenses and HP on your team are weak.

Nothing else to say from here.
 
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I suppose this isn't technically a rate but.... all of your sets are straight off of smogon, so when building/battling with a team, you might find more success if you come up with a plan (e.g, attack from behind stallers, full out offense, annoy and offense, force opponents into tricky situations) and then choose pokemon builds that you think would fit well in that plan. I myself suck at building teams, but, you can find much more interest in picking a focal point and building around it (some people pick a pokemon that they like and see a different potential in, some people pick move combinations that sound good in theory and bring them into reality). When there is a team made entrely of smogon standards, it is really hard to rate and make changes on every pokemon because its like giving somebody 6 pokemon and asking them to make those pokemon into a team. Good luck on your team!
 
I'd like to point out a few flaws with the following rate...

New to rating, all changes marked in bold.

Originally Posted by de0neandonly
This is my first real competitive team for pokemon so I don't think I really understand alot of the mechanics to competetive battling yet. Well here goes nothing.

Infernape [Focus Sash]
Naive/Hasty Nature
64 Atk / 252 SpA / 192 Spe
Fake-out
Stealth Rock
overheat / fire blast
Close Combat/encore

From what ive been able to research, this is the basic Infernape lead. Start off with fake-out. Lay down stealth rock and proceed from there.
Looks good for a lead. You've got the Focus Sash, so use Encore when your down really low to make PKMN repeat moves. Normmaly leads have more "other" moves rather attacking. However, Close Combat works as well.

I can see where you might be coming off from with encore, but Close Combat would be a bit superior to deal some serious damage to swampert leads.

Gengar [Choice specs]/Black Sludge/ Toxic Orb
Timid Nature
4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Focus Blast
Hidden Power (ice)/Trick
Shadow Ball
Thunderbolt
Looks simmilar to my Gengar. Except mine has Trick and Blacksludge. Which works pretty good on Gengar. However your set seems like it can work as well.

Gengar is VERY frail, and is meant as a hit and run type pokemon. Choice Specs is a decent setup, but I do agree that slipping trick on their might be worthwhile.

Scizor [Choice Band]
Adamant/Jolly Nature
248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 Spe
U-turn
Bullet Punch
Superpower
Pursuit
Hey, do you happen to read my mind?? This one is just like mine.

NO! Bad ThunderHead! BAD! Scizor has a terrible base speed. What is the point in running jolly nature? Not to mention he only uses 8 speed EV's. He needs adamant to secure maximum damage. And I imagine it looks a lot like yours, because CB Scizor is the single most used pokemon on the planet right now.

Gyarados [Life orb]
Adamant Nature
252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Ice Fang / Stone Edge
Waterfall
Dragon Dance
Earthquake

Offensive gyarados. I've been experimenting between ice fang and stone edge, and i think that I'm leaning towards ice fang for now. Opinions?
Well, Ice Fang and Stone Edge can hit a lot of Pokemon in OU with a 2x/4x weakness. Mine has Ice Fang on it, because I'm annoyed with Dragons.

Personally, I say run stone edge, since it will secure superior coverage. Salamence and Dragonite will still fall to it, as well as actually being able to take on opposing gyarados.

Salamence [Life orb]
Naughty Nature
84 Atk / 216 SpA / 208 Spe
Draco MeteorDragon Dance
OutrageStone Edge
Fire blast Flamethrower.
Earthquake

Mixmence. I really did not know what pokemon to put in this slot, and i guessed i cannot go wrong with a salamence.
If you want a Rock Type move, throw it on him. Plus, Outrage is a bad Dragon Move IMO. Yeah, it does powerful damage, but I could do the same with Dragon Pulse,AND still switch between other attacks.Also, Flamethrower is an option for better accuracy. If you keep Outrage, replace Draco Meteor with Dragon Dance.

MixMence =/= Dragon Dancer. Mixmence is meant to tear down stall, not sweep with dragon dance. He needs to keep the Dual STAB with Outrage and Draco Meteor so he can slam into things on both opposing spectrums. Fire Blast is necessary to secure KO's on Bronzon, Skarmory, etc.

Togekiss [Leftovers]/Life Orb
Modest[/B Nature
252 HP / 6 Def / 252 SpD
Air Slash
Thunder Wave / Nasty Plot
Roost
Aura Sphere
I think Nasty Plot can do some good for you, but Thunder Wave works too. Really scence you have Roost, speed isn't a major problem. Also, you've got roost, so take away leftovers, and give it a Life Orb (or the choice item that raises sp.atk)

Using roost with the possibility of using the choice item? NO. Keep your current set, but definitely use ThunderWave > Nasty Plot

Any team chemistry tips in general are welcome. Thanks for the help!


For advice, I can't say much. I would recommend Blissey and Alakazam (Screen Support, and WISH Maker), with the movests off of Smogon. However only do this if your defenses and HP on your team are weak.

Nothing else to say from here.


That's all I can say for now. It wasn't a TERRIBLE rate, but it left a LOT to be desired. Sorry if this sounds offensive at all Thunderhead. I don't mean to.

For now, that's all I can say, but when i'm feeling up to it, i'll give a much more in-depth rate. Also, you'll need to put Descriptions on ALL of your pokemon, otherwise the raters don't know what anybody is doing. It makes the RMT look better, and will secure more rates for you.
 
^ah, don't worry. It was a first rate.

Anyways, I'm kind of a n00b at team building(smogon, your my only hope . . . . . . . to make a good team :/ )

-Matthew K.
 
Thanks for all the advice! I added descriptions to my whole party as Brikien93 recommended. Still open for more criticism =)
 
Totally on togekiss with the flinch/paralyzing. It can set up a few opportunities to switch Gengar in, which has, as you said, low defenses. I'm not sure about Scizor. Sure, it's a great pokemon, but you already have Gyarados, so choose. (Though I prefer Gyarados)

Plus you have 3 pokemon weak to SR- Salamence, Togekiss, and Gyarados. Both are crucial to your team, and almost EVERY team, if not all set up Stealth Rock. And 25% isn't good. At all. Maybe you want Claydol or another Rapid Spinner. Think and reseach about it and I will help you later. And next time try to be a little more creative (i.e not just copying off Smogon, or without a proper stragety) ;)
 
Totally on togekiss with the flinch/paralyzing. It can set up a few opportunities to switch Gengar in, which has, as you said, low defenses. I'm not sure about Scizor. Sure, it's a great pokemon, but you already have Gyarados, so choose. (Though I prefer Gyarados)

Plus you have 3 pokemon weak to SR- Salamence, Togekiss, and Gyarados. Both are crucial to your team, and almost EVERY team, if not all set up Stealth Rock. And 25% isn't good. At all. Maybe you want Claydol or another Rapid Spinner. Think and reseach about it and I will help you later. And next time try to be a little more creative (i.e not just copying off Smogon, or without a proper stragety) ;)

Thanks for the advice. Sorry I'm really new to competitive pokemon and I just used smogon to give myself a start, so I'm not completely useless
 
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