Imposibility....

[Kajoshiki]

I have developed an interest in Dunsparce and decided to train one, I was looking at the available moves through breeding and leveling up and of course taking into acount his ability (Serene Grace) decided to load him up with effect inducing moves and this is the set I came up with:

Ancient Power
Headbutt
Shadow Ball
Water Pulse

However I`ve broken my head trying to figure out a way to get him to have Headbutt and Ancient Power together and I can`t seem to find a possible way...Someone mentined to me that it was possible to do it with a Ditto but I don`t see how, maybe due to my frustration I`m overlooking some breeding elemements or something of the sort.

I mean there are tons of ways to breed Ancient power to him (kecleon, Corsola, Omanyte, etc.) and also of course there are ways to get Heatbutt (Zigsagoon, Seel, etc.) but there is no other pokemon that can learn both moves and breed with a Dunsparce, Cubone is the only pokemon that I`m able to teach/breed both moves to but of course, he`s not in the same eggtype with Dunsparce there for is imposible, can someone tell me if I`m over looking something or this is just imposible?

Thanks in advance.

 

[cxoa]

i think the ditto is only in d/p. I can't think of a way to get both on to dunsparce

 

[Shukaku]

What about Smeargle? He can learn ANY move AND cna breed with a Dunsparce, but... If you can't get a Smeargle, then, there's no POSSIBLE way in the 3rd Gen...

 

[E.J.S]

I think what you need to do is chain breed( is that what its called? ).So you breed a headbutt learning pokemon with dunsparce and get a dunsparce that knows headbutt. then you breed *that* dunsparce with a pokemon that knows ancient power and you get a dusparce knowing acient power and headbutt...or I may have just made this all up in my head thinking it was real...

*that*=the dunsparce that knows headbutt

 

[nap*]

I think what you need to do is chain breed( is that what its called? ).So you breed a headbutt learning pokemon with dunsparce and get a dunsparce that knows headbutt. then you breed *that* dunsparce with a pokemon that knows ancient power and you get a dusparce knowing acient power and headbutt...or I may have just made this all up in my head thinking it was real...

*that*=the dunsparce that knows headbutt

No amount of chain breeding will get you a Dunsparce I thought about it ealier, the only way to do it is to hack your game, otherwise just teach it another move

 

[DarkSpectrum]

What about Smeargle? He can learn ANY move AND cna breed with a Dunsparce, but... If you can't get a Smeargle, then, there's no POSSIBLE way in the 3rd Gen...

Smeargle is the way to go... use a male to sketch both moves and breed with a female dunsparce.
and use body slam over water pulse IMO.
Paralysis is better than confusion for the lower speed and the chance of not attacking, plus it gets STAB.

And PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE....
refer to the breeding sticky here: http://www.serebiiforums.com/showthread.php?t=191114
for any further questions like that because these following quotes are completely and utterly wrong.

I think what you need to do is chain breed( is that what its called? ).So you breed a headbutt learning pokemon with dunsparce and get a dunsparce that knows headbutt. then you breed *that* dunsparce with a pokemon that knows ancient power and you get a dusparce knowing acient power and headbutt...or I may have just made this all up in my head thinking it was real...

*that*=the dunsparce that knows headbutt

This "breeding chain" you have here results in either a dunsparce with no egg moves or a pokemon of another species So this way is completely wrong.

No amount of chain breeding will get you a Dunsparce I thought about it ealier, the only way to do it is to hack your game, otherwise just teach it another move

Just because you can't think of a way doesn't mean that you have to hack for it.... there are ways to get some moves that the rest of us know or can figure out.

 

[nap*]

Just because you can't think of a way doesn't mean that you have to hack for it.... there are ways to get some moves that the rest of us know or can figure out.

>.< fine then I'll think off how to do it then... mean

 

[flame_raider]

The Dunsparce that knows Headbutt, if female, will not pass it on to the Baby if bred with a male with Ancientpower.

I'm not sure if you can pass on Headbutt and Ancientpower from Marowak to Smeargle then to Dunsparce. If not, then you just have to get a Smeargle and get both moves on it. I suggest you use Ancientpower on it upon capture, then save your next Sketch for Headbutt - it's a much more common move.

 

[DarkSpectrum]

>.< fine then I'll think off how to do it then... mean

I already gave the way to do it. And I wasn't being mean... I'm just saying there are other breeders that may know other ways so there was no need to jump to any conclusions.

The Dunsparce that knows Headbutt, if female, will not pass it on to the Baby if bred with a male with Ancientpower.

I'm not sure if you can pass on Headbutt and Ancientpower from Marowak to Smeargle then to Dunsparce. If not, then you just have to get a Smeargle and get both moves on it. I suggest you use Ancientpower on it upon capture, then save your next Sketch for Headbutt - it's a much more common move.

Seeing as Smeargle Has no way to inherit moves then no... you can't breed a smeargle with those moves. And it is much easier to enter into double battles and sketch on your partner for moves as it is more reliable.

 

[nap*]

I already gave the way to do it. And I wasn't being mean... I'm just saying there are other breeders that may know other ways so there was no need to jump to any conclusions.

Sorry I was only joking about the mean part

On Topic
Are you sure you want to give it headbutt, If you gave it body slam and the get parlyzed due to it's abilty it may survive longer than it's life expectance unless you was going to give it quick claw but the only way to do it is Smergle as Dark Spectrum said.

No pokemon can get two or more of the same egg moves unless
TM/HM
All required moves can be aquired by one parent, (if it can the parent can be male)

 

[TogeticTheRuler]

It is impossible to get more than 1 egg move on Dunsparce other than breeding with Smeargle or using the glitch (d/p only)

 

[Kajoshiki]

Wow thank you very much to all that replied and gave me a way to do it (Even if it didn`t count *looks at EJS and Nap* ^.^ thanks to Darkspectrum for the correct way, I`ll get to breeding right away.

as for the move you suggested, it would have to replace Shadow ball, since the reason Water pulse is there is to use after Shadow ball`s effect has taken place and cofuse the enemy while at it, if I were to replace shadow ball it would be with a paralizing move to take advantage of the flinching chances of headbutt....wich brings to mind the following moves, Glare and of course Body slam, but since we already have the STAB headbutt, I`d rather have Glare since it has a 75% accuracy and Bodyslam has a 30%, raised to 60% by serene grace and I think the 15% more accuracy COULD pay off, you know? but then again I`m not concidering the fact that I would cause damage while trying to paralize with bodyslam so that`s also a Plus, what do you think it`s best?

Great discussion guys, thanks for all the replies.

 

[DarkSpectrum]

as for the move you suggested, it would have to replace Shadow ball, since the reason Water pulse is there is to use after Shadow ball`s effect has taken place and cofuse the enemy while at it, if I were to replace shadow ball it would be with a paralizing move to take advantage of the flinching chances of headbutt....wich brings to mind the following moves, Glare and of course Body slam, but since we already have the STAB headbutt, I`d rather have Glare since it has a 75% accuracy and Bodyslam has a 30%, raised to 60% by serene grace and I think the 15% more accuracy COULD pay off, you know? but then again I`m not concidering the fact that I would cause damage while trying to paralize with bodyslam so that`s also a Plus, what do you think it`s best?

Great discussion guys, thanks for all the replies.

Shadow Ball is there so you can hit ghosts.
Usually 2 of the same type attacking move are unnescesary but you aren't using them for the same reason.
Body Slam for the paralysis headbutt to flinch so you can damage and not get attacked. The low accuracy of glare is a bit of a setback.
Honestly Water pulse serves ya no use. You could do more damage from STAB headbutt or Body Slam than tryin to lower their Sp def and then water pulsing them.
You could probably get a better moveset from the team rate forum.
The In-game moveset guide there lists this as a possible set:
Dunsparce @ Leftovers
Trait: Serene Grace
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Body Slam/Thunder Wave/Glare
- Headbutt
- Ancientpower/Ice Beam/Shadow Ball/Substitute/Counter/Attract(meh)
- Ancientpower/Ice Beam/Shadow Ball/Substitute/Counter/Attract(meh)
Other options: Calm Mind, Thunder, Fire Blast, Flamethrower, Swagger, Yawn

 

[Nebula]

Is there a Pokémon that can learn one by levelling up and the other via an egg move? If so, get a female of the species that learns the egg move, breed it to a Poké who gets the egg move naturally, hope you get a male, then breed with a female Dunsparce?

 

[DarkSpectrum]

Is there a Pokémon that can learn one by levelling up and the other via an egg move? If so, get a female of the species that learns the egg move, breed it to a Poké who gets the egg move naturally, hope you get a male, then breed with a female Dunsparce?

Smeargle is it..... nothing short of having a chain length of 4 different parents would work..... So unless you wanna work out a chain over 5 or more parents long, then smeargle is much easier.