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Alakazam @ Expert Belt
Trait: Synchronize
EVs: HP 4/ SPD 252/ SA 252
Timid
- Calm Mind
- Psychic
- Shadow Ball
- Focus Belt

Not much to say. Serebii moveset etc. CM special sweeper.

Salamence @ Life Orb
Trait: Intimidate
EVs: HP 120/ ATK 252/ SPD 136
Adamant
- Dragon Claw
- Dragon Dance
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge

As above. DD physical sweeper.

Empoleon @ Leftovers/??
Trait: Torrent
EVs: HP 252/ SA 4/ SD 252
Calm
- Surf
- Ice Beam
- Stealth Rock
- Grass Knot

As above. Wall/supporter.

Snorlax @ Leftovers
Trait: Thick Fat
EVs: HP 140/ ATk 116/ SD 252
Careful
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
- Body Slam
- Crunch

From serebii. Sleep talker. Crunch over Earthquake because I needed a Dark move.

Jolteon @ ??
Trait: Volt Absorb
EVs: HP 252/ DEF 128/ SD 128
Timid
- Thunder Wave
- Attract
- Thunderbolt
- ???

Would like a confusing move, like Swagger, but I don't think Jolteon's defenses would last a hit. This is designed by me as an annoyer. Any comments on moveset/EV spread and item would be helpful!

Typhlosion @ ??
Trait: Blaze
EVs: HP 4/ SPD 252/ SA 252
Timid
- Sunny Day
- Flamethrower
- Solarbeam
- Overheat

Designed by me too as a standard Sunnybeamer. I don't know if Typhlosion suits the role though. I also need an item for this set. It is meant to have Sunny Day as a set up then SB/FT depending on the opponent to finish off with Overheat.

I would appreciate any comments, especially on how to better the team, and if you think it works as a team.
 
Most are Standard but Typhlosion can be a suitable Sunny Beamer, though I would give him some more HP and SDef EV's to help him last long enough against a water type...perhaps 252 SAtk/ 126 HP/ 126 Sdef, with Leftovers maybe? Also dont use Overheat, the drop in Satk wont do you any good, take advantage of Sunny Day and if you have to use Fire Blast though I would suggest Eruption...Leftovers helps here too.
 
Keaton said:
Most are Standard but Typhlosion can be a suitable Sunny Beamer, though I would give him some more HP and SDef EV's to help him last long enough against a water type...perhaps 252 SAtk/ 126 HP/ 126 Sdef, with Leftovers maybe? Also dont use Overheat, the drop in Satk wont do you any good, take advantage of Sunny Day and if you have to use Fire Blast though I would suggest Eruption...Leftovers helps here too.
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Thanks. The only thing is if I lose HP Eruption loses power. The EV spread sounds much better!

I am trying to adhere to the items clause, so are there any alternatives to Leftovers?
 
Choice items for Typhlosion are a big no-no because you need to set up, however Expert Belt is handy if going against water types or you could always go with something painfully simple like a Sitrus Berry? If you take damage it recovers 30HP which kicks the power back up...and remember Sunny Day increases its power by 50% ^_^

EDIT: remember Euruption also is a great opening move, you'll be at full heath, without Sunny Day support though, and it will be an accurate version of Fire Blast ^_^
 
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Keaton said:
Choice items for Typhlosion are a big no-no because you need to set up, however Expert Belt is handy if going against water types or you could always go with something painfully simple like a Sitrus Berry? If you take damage it recovers 30HP which kicks the power back up...and remember Sunny Day increases its power by 50% ^_^
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Sitrus Berry would work well, since it woudl recover some of the loss of using Sunny Day. What about Jolteon and Empoleon? Do you have any item suggestions for them?
 
Empoleon is near enough Standard though you could give him more Satk ev's the same as Typhlosion (252 HP/ 126 Satk/ 126 Sdef)

Jolteon is really a Baton Passer as most of the Eeveeloutions, but as an annoyer try:

Jolteon@Bright Powder
Nature: Timid
Ability: Volt Absorb
EV: 252Satk/252Spd/6HP (he is fragile so def and sdef EV's are wasted)
---Thunder Wave
---Thunder Bolt
---Baton Pass
---Agility

Even as an annoyer he is fragile, so take advantage of Thunder Wave then agility, hit them with Tbolt and get him Baton Passed out, passing on the Speed here will REALLY REALLY help every member of your team (except Snorlax)
 
Choice Scarf Eruption is teh sexxorz on Typhlosion. There are other, probably better Sunnybeamers out there, and sunnybeaming isn't really that good in general due to the prevalence of Tyranitar and Hippowdon.

Typhlosion@Choice Scarf
Modest Nature, max Special Attack/Speed
-Eruption
-Overheat
-Focus Blast
-Hidden Power Grass

I dunno, try this. It IS 4 in the monring here but I think this could work as a lead and with Rapid Spin support to remove Stealth Rock. Overheat is for later in the game when your HP is low and Eruption doesn't work anymore.

Annoyers don't work, and Attract has a 50% chance of failing and them smacking you to hell. Jolteon's talents are more suited for a Baton Pass supporter:

Jolteon@Leftovers
Timid Nature, max SA/speed
-Thunderbolt
-Hidden Power Ice or Grass
-Agility/Substitute
-Baton Pass

Baton Pass Substitute to something like Gyarados, who resists Earthquake which is what a lot of people facing Jolteon will use. You will have a Gyarados with a substitute up, which is essentially a free Dragon Dance. If you don't have anything in mind to Baton Pass a Substitute to, Agility works just as well. Pass that to something slow and you're in business.

In general, consider Wish support on your team, since Empoleon has no real way of healing there. Also, I wouldn't lead with Alakazam, as Weavile/Heracross leads will outspeed and utterly murderize you.
 
Jolteon@Leftovers
Timid Nature, max SA/speed
-Thunderbolt
-Hidden Power Ice or Grass
-Agility/Substitute
-Baton Pass
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I suggested Twave to work in co-ordination with Typhlosion who needs a turn to set up =p ...but that probably works better :( lol
 
Thanks both of you.

What do you suggest I lead with? And I am hoping to avoid HP, since it requires more breeding.
 
Empoleon. Sets up Stealth Rock at the beginning, just watch out for Weavilles and Heracrosses (the most common leads), because of their fighting type moves...

OR Alakazam because he can attack both for Super Effective and OHKO (i tihnk) Weaville with Focus Blast and scare Heracross with Psychic....(just dont run if fighting Hera because he will get you with Pursuit ^_^)
 
Um, what item should I use for Empoleon, since Snorlax takes priority with Leftovers.
 
What are the best items for tanks/walls?
 
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