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MasterShaper

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Time to make a Water-based line-up :D

Made for fun, so no stats or natures noted.

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Ludicolo @ Miracle Seed
Ability: Rain Dish
Surf
Ice Beam
Mega Drain
Rain Dance

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Quagsire @ Nevermeltice
Ability: Water Absorb
Earthquake
Ice Beam
Waterfall
Yawn

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Walrein @ Leftovers
Ability: Ice Body
Earthquake
Ice Beam
Toxic
Protect

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Lanturn @ Focus Sash
Ability: Volt Absorb
Surf
Ice Beam
Thunderbolt
Rain Dance

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Tentacruel @ Black Sludge
Ability: Liquid Ooze
Surf
Ice Beam
Sludge Bomb
Giga Drain

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Empoleon @ Expert Belt
Ability: Torrent
Drill Peck
Surf
Ice Beam
Steel Wing

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Just for the fun of it - trying to fit in a wide variety of Water types into the same team. More to Generation III in it since I'm still exploring the options available for Generation IV...

Ludicolo is my lead simply because it is probably the least expected in a Water team. It's weakness against Flying types can be countered with its Ice Beam, and Mega Drain should be alright with STAB to help it along. Also, Rain Dish ought to help with regenerating HP if it gets a Rain Dance going.

Once Ludicolo is switched out or defeated, Quagsire is next. A very basic Quagsire, this one is - Yawn them to sleep, then Quake them awake or Ice Beam them into submission. Waterfall for that Water STAB if I ever need it.

Walrein is a stalling piece. Just look at its held item and moveset, and you'll know what I mean. Quake is to counter Electric types, and Ice Beam is there because Water attacks DID get boring after a while...

Lanturn is something I haven't used in a LONG time, so why not? Focus Sash ought to give it a chance to smack annoying Ground types back, and at worst it can start a Rain Dance for Ludicolo to be switched in (if the duck is still alive, that is).

Tentacruel is the next in the line-up. Black Sludge to regenerate HP, and a moveset to complement its STAB and also some draining moves (though I did consider Torment instead of Giga Drain, in which case Ludicolo would get the Giga Drain).

Empoleon is the last piece, and its moveset is tailored to hopefully complement its Expert Belt. I count six types it can trump, so the Steel types will have to be left to either Walrein or Quagsire to be dealt with.

I know that the Ice Beams might seem a little overboard, but I always believe that Ice Beam is good against enough types to justify its inclusion in a Water-type's moveset :)


Thoughts?
 
Ludicolo would like Leftovers as the item if you want him to
heal as much HP as possible.

Swampert>Quagsire if you're not using Recover. He can use
the same set but with Avalanche/Ice Punch/>Ice Beam.

You may as well give Lanturn Thunder>TBolt, since the former
has 100% accuracy in rain.

Empoleon would appreciate Grass Knot>Steel Wing. It grants
more coverage and goes off of his higher SpA stat.
 
i like i think its alot of strong pokemon together
 
GrumpySnorlax said:
Ludicolo would like Leftovers as the item if you want him to
heal as much HP as possible.

Swampert>Quagsire if you're not using Recover. He can use
the same set but with Avalanche/Ice Punch/>Ice Beam.

You may as well give Lanturn Thunder>TBolt, since the former
has 100% accuracy in rain.

Empoleon would appreciate Grass Knot>Steel Wing. It grants
more coverage and goes off of his higher SpA stat.
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Hmmm, would be reasonable for Ludicolo to have that, so thanks :)

And I forgot about Swampert, LOL... Since Swampert generally has SAtk approximately equal to its Atk, why not leave it with Ice Beam?

And as for Lanturn and Thunder, I decided Thunderbolt might be better instead of relying on starting a Rain Dance before I could get 100% zapping accuracy.

Oooh, didn't know Empoleon could learn Grass Knot (via TM? Or breeding?).

Thanks :D
 
MasterShaper said:
And I forgot about Swampert, LOL... Since Swampert generally has SAtk approximately equal to its Atk, why not leave it with Ice Beam?
Click to expand...

Swampert has base 110 attack, but its special attack is only base 85.
So physical ice attacks would be stronger than special ones.

And as for Lanturn and Thunder, I decided Thunderbolt might be better instead of relying on starting a Rain Dance before I could get 100% zapping accuracy.
Click to expand...

Well, Thunder is stronger than Thunderbolt and has a higher paralysis rate. (30% vs. 10%, if I recall correctly). Plus, setting up Rain Dance first would benefit your whole team.

Oooh, didn't know Empoleon could learn Grass Knot (via TM? Or breeding?).
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Yes, Empoleon can learn Grass Knot through TM, or by breeding if the father knows the move. (Though the only way to have the father know Grass Knot is by having already used the TM on it, since no Pokemon learns Grass Knot naturally)
 
GrumpySnorlax said:
Ludicolo would like Leftovers as the item if you want him to
heal as much HP as possible.

Swampert>Quagsire if you're not using Recover. He can use
the same set but with Avalanche/Ice Punch/>Ice Beam.

You may as well give Lanturn Thunder>TBolt, since the former
has 100% accuracy in rain.

Empoleon would appreciate Grass Knot>Steel Wing. It grants
more coverage and goes off of his higher SpA stat.
Click to expand...

Ludicolo would do well with that, true. Fixed :)

Ah, forgot about Swampert... But wouldn't Swampert's more or less equal Atk/SAtk stats allow for Ice Beam?

I'm not too sure about Lanturn and Thunder - Thunderbolt is more of a sure thing, and I wont have to start a Rain Dance to make it hit...

Empoleon can learn Grass Knot? O_o By TM or breeding?

Thanks, though :D
 
GrumpySnorlax said:
Ludicolo would like Leftovers as the item if you want him to
heal as much HP as possible.

Swampert>Quagsire if you're not using Recover. He can use
the same set but with Avalanche/Ice Punch/>Ice Beam.

You may as well give Lanturn Thunder>TBolt, since the former
has 100% accuracy in rain.

Empoleon would appreciate Grass Knot>Steel Wing. It grants
more coverage and goes off of his higher SpA stat.
Click to expand...

Ludicolo would do well with that, true. Fixed :)

Ah, forgot about Swampert... But wouldn't Swampert's more or less equal Atk/SAtk stats allow for Ice Beam?

I'm not too sure about Lanturn and Thunder - Thunderbolt is more of a sure thing, and I wont have to start a Rain Dance to make it hit...

Empoleon can learn Grass Knot? O_o By TM or breeding?

Thanks, though :D
 
GrumpySnorlax said:
Ludicolo would like Leftovers as the item if you want him to
heal as much HP as possible.

Swampert>Quagsire if you're not using Recover. He can use
the same set but with Avalanche/Ice Punch/>Ice Beam.

You may as well give Lanturn Thunder>TBolt, since the former
has 100% accuracy in rain.

Empoleon would appreciate Grass Knot>Steel Wing. It grants
more coverage and goes off of his higher SpA stat.
Click to expand...

Ludicolo would do well with that, true. Fixed :)

Ah, forgot about Swampert... But wouldn't Swampert's more or less equal Atk/SAtk stats allow for Ice Beam?

I'm not too sure about Lanturn and Thunder - Thunderbolt is more of a sure thing, and I wont have to start a Rain Dance to make it hit...

Empoleon can learn Grass Knot? O_o By TM or breeding?

Thanks, though :D
 
^Nice Triple Post ;)

Another alternative is Damp Rock, which boosts the amout of turns that Ludi's Rain Dance lasts. Energy Ball>Mega Drain for much more damage.
 
OMG a triple post :(

Server was nicely messing with me, so I wound up with that... Sorry!

And yes, the Damp Rock does sound good... Goes well with Rain Dish, so would be a decent alternative for Leftovers :D
 
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