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S.Bustathedog

What's this for? ^
Hello guys and girls this is my first rate my team and i have only posted it because i can't decide what moves to use so without futher adue here is my team:

Ok i haven got a lead yet but i am replacing any off these for any lead and the getting rid (maybe) off togekiss for a special sweeper.

Dragonite@ Life orb
Adamant
Inner focus
EVs: 252 atk/252 speed/4 hp

Outrage
Fire punch
Dragon dance
Earthquake

EVs: This is just a standard spread I shouldn't have to explain

Moveset: Now i have been told that the only reson that ddnite is picked over ddmance is because it can learn outrage so i have outrage :), fire punch for any one who is dumb enought to bring in a ice type (lol) and it is also for coverage, Outrage is STAB and Earthquake is for coverage and hits quite alot. Oww and dd just dd up when i pridict a switch

Role: This is just a basic physical sweeper

Vaporeon@ Lefties
Bold
Water absorb
EVs: 124 HP, 252 Def, 132 S.Def

Wish
Surf
Ice beam
Proctect

EVs: (To be onest I din't make this spread so im not to sure but i will have a go anyway).The Def EVs are so that i can survie a hit (or 2) the EVs in sp.Def are for..... well more sp.def and then hp evs for more hp

Movset: this is the standard wish support (so i have been told) that is it really

Role: Wish suporrt and to randomly hit things iff i can get a supper afective hit.

Snorlax@ Lefties
Careful
Thick fat
EVs: 204 hp/52 def/252sp.def

Rest
Sleep talk
Earthquake
Crunch/Fire punch

EVs: 204 hp for suvirability 52 def to survire 1 focus punch from breloom and then maxed out sp.def thats all i can think off.

Moveset: now im not going to say much about this becase it is obvious but I am having crunch on my ingame one and the fire puch on shoddy (hopefully there will be a move tutor in platinum :) and also i can't be bothered to get bp on emerald so i can't get it from there).

Role: status absorber

Forretress@ Shed Shell
Sturdy
Relaxed
EVs: 252 HP/ 160 Def/ 96 S.Def

Stealth Rock
Rapid Spin
Earthquake/ Explosion
Gyro Ball

EVs: Just for suviability

Moveset: Stealth rock for entry hazard, rapid spin to get rid off there sipkes...etc, earthquake to get rid off unecspecting fire, ice, rock, electric and others (can't rember the last type) gyro ball for stab and to hit hard and fast (well slow but you get the point (and does gyro ball get stab)). And i am thinking off butting explosion over earthquake for death oder

Role: I will mainly use it for entry hazard and then death oder.


Togekiss@ Salac berry
Modest
Serene grace
EVs: 128 hp/128 sp.atk/252 spd

Nasty plot
Flamethrower
Airslash
Aura sphere

Notes: Now this is the one that will go for the special sweeper and i have just tided it up for now.

Dusknoir@ ?
Impish
Pressure
EVs: 252 HP/ 180 Def/ 76 S.Def

Pain split
Shadow sneak
Fire punch
Thunder punch

EVs: 252 in hp for more hit points and then the rest well all my evs are obvius

Movset: pain split for hp, shadow sneak for piority, Thunder punch and Fire punch for coverage

Role: Physical tank


Thanks i would really like help but only post if you have something helpful to say.

Bye
 
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- Fire Punch over Thunder Punch and Earthquake over Stone Edge on DDNIte give you the best possible type coverage.
- Protect over Yawn on Vaporeon. 252 Def/68 SpAtk/132 SpDef/rest in HP as EV spread.
- EV Spread on Celebi is 252 HP/36 Spd/220 Def. Leech Seed and Grass Knot as last 2 moves.
- Rhyperior is this.
Rhyperior w. Leftovers
Ability: Solid Rock
EVs: 252 HP, 4 Atk, 252 Def
Impish Nature (-SpAtk +Def)
Earthquake
Stone Edge
Stealth Rock
Avalanche

Yes I know this is a Smogon spread, but as I'm not that good with Rhyperior and the one you had was plain awful, this one should do for now. Sadly he's not too reliable as a physical wall.

I can't be bothered doing any more right now. Make those changes, and maybe I'll post again some other time.
 
Thanks dark (don't like you but hay you can't pick who rates) i will think about changing some things around abit but at the moment i don't have enought rates to change things and i take back what i said about you i think you where out off line with deoxysdude but hay thats in the past i will chage some things around when i get to it.
 
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ok carnt be bothered to edit so can i ask dark why i should but fire punch over thunder punch then i can't take out garydos (or can i) so im sticking with that and i will put your ev suggetions but can you say some way to take out gyardos if i put fire pounch one ddnite and i don't think that i will use that rhyperior set because i want something different thanks foir your help can i have more sugggestions plz
 
Please use some grammar. I cannot tell when a sentance starts or ends.

Thunderpunch on Dusknoir can stop Gyarados, Fire Punch on Dragonite so that it isn't walled by Forretress, Scizor, Skarmory or Bronzong.

Outrage over Dragon Claw on Dragonite. That is the only reason to use it over DDMence.

Pretty Tyranitar weak to be honest. You have one Rock resist that lacks recovery. This team is layed out so badly and the text is bordering on unreadable, so I cannot be bothered to go on.
 
ok i will fix that now i have changed the grammar and aldred can you carry on with your rate i am not using any off the other dragons because i don't like them they take no skill to use example

"ow look there is my salamence, salamence use dd"
(guy nusing umbreon moonlights)
"salamence use dd"
(guy uses pay back i doest 2 damage)
then the salamence sweeps by using dd 2 times the guy cries and goes home

do you get me now i have just realised that is what my ddnite will do but i cant be bothered to delete but i don't like using the other dragons (exept altria but hat does play the same role)

I don't have a tar weakness i have vaporeon and rhyperior.

but other wise i am waiting for more replies to change it completely
 
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Wow, what a poor Salamence example...

Vaporeon may have Surf, but can it take a Stone Edge or Crunch from Tyranitar? Earthquake would probably do a fair bit to Mr. Rhyperior - I wouldn't say that you can handle Tyranitar.
 
Like Aldred said, Outrage is the only reason Dragonite would be used over Salamence. Salamence isn't broken anyways, it isn't that hard to counter even with one or two Dragon Dances if you have something bulky. Earthquake is better than Stone Edge.

Your Rhyperior's set is bad. Use the set DarkTyphlosion gave you.

On Togekiss, use a Modest Nature with Leftovers and Nasty Plot or Aura Sphere/Roost/Air Slash/Thunder Wave if you want it to be a Sp. Attacker and Annoyer. 252 HP/252 SpA/4 Sp. Def for the EVs. You can also add Speed EVs if you don't want to have to use Thunder Wave every time another Pokemon switches in.
 
ok have made changes but would still like some help with it.
 
S.Bustathedog said:
Dragonite@life orb
Adamant
inner focus
EVs: 252 atk/252 speed/4 hp

Dragon claw
Fire punch
dragon dance
Stone edge

Now i was thinking to use this as my lead that is why i had thunder punch, then i realised that it wouldn't be that good so it will be my late or mid game sweeper, cant decide on stone edge or earthquake (which one has better type coverage for the rest of the team).
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As it stands this set is completely outclassed by Salamence, one of the few things Dragonite has over Salamence is access to Outrage, so there's absolutely no reason to not use it. If the confusion is bothersome then give it Lum Berry to cure it's confusion.

Earthquake > Stone Edge, as it provides the best possible coverage


Vaporeon@lefties
bold
water absorb
EVs: 252 Def/68 SpAtk/132 SpDef/56 hp

wish
yawn
surf
icebeam

This is my sp.tank it can just sit there and laught in anyones face, now the move set is fine for me, it is the evs that bother me i can't decide on 252 in hp or in sp.def i was thinking the fist is best just in case i gess rong and i can take a hit from a phy atk. and also not sure on the nature i think i have got it rong.
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124 HP. 252 Def, 132 S.Def

As the S.Atk is assuming Garchomp isnt holding a Yache berry to OHKO with Ice Beam, and the majority of Garchomp are Yache nowadays, Life Orb will succumb regardless thanks to the recoil. This spread allows you to switch in better on Heatran and such

Rhyperior@life orb
impish
lightning rod
Evs: 252 hp/ 252 def/ 4 atk

rest
thunder fang/ice fang
stone edge
earthquake

more for ice fang to take out dragons

Now you are probally thinking "what the heck why has he put evs in hp" well i have done this because i brings it up to a massive 434 and i like that, the other thing is im not sure on the moves im keeping rest as a nice surprise but the other three im not sure on i would like one of the fangs and a stab move but i would like more help on the moves on this on plz. Ow and this is my def tank and vaporeon was the sp.def tank/wall.I forgot to add this but this spread > 252 HP/12 Atk/16Def/230 SDef brings its stats up to this > 434 HP/300 Def/304 SpDef and i was wondering if i should use this with an adamant nature.
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Thunder fang isnt needed whatsoever when STAB Earthquake does the same damage as a 2X super effective Thunder Fang, if Gyarados is your concern, STAB Stone Edge deals the same amount of damage to it as a Thunder Fang.

Avalanche is far better than Ice Fang hands down, as it can possibly OHKO Gliscor if it uses Earthquake on you, since the power doubles to 120 as opposed to a measly 65 that ice fang offers

it needs more attack in my opinion


dusknoir@?
adamant
pressure
EVs: 178 sp.def/128 def/ 204 hp

pain split/wow
shadow sneak
fire punch
thunder punch

This is well i don't really know what this is suposed to be i just wanted to use it that is all i have to say about it .(this is my my sp.tank)
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252 HP, 180 Def, 76 S.Def with an Impish nature to counter Gyarados, Breloom and Heracross, it's not really that good at countering special threats to be honest.

Can't be bothered with Celebi and Togekiss and to spot threats and whatnot, might do so later if you bother to even take the advice I've given you so far, otherwise i'm wasting my time
 
Blue ace thanks i will be on that but can i ask why rhyperoir neads more in atk but i think that so if i was going to but some EVs in atk how many should i put in and how many should i take out ? but thanks again and dark can you do the rest off what you were going to do.
 
you have 4 ice weaknesses and your only poke that really walls ice is vaporeon, but what happens when he faints? an ice type sweeper live weavile could sweep the team, and with support from a vaporeon or something it could definately k.o. your team. i suggest putting in a grass steel type so that you can take ice/water hits.
 
"ow look there is my salamence, salamence use dd"
(guy nusing umbreon moonlights)
"salamence use dd"
(guy uses pay back i doest 2 damage)
then the salamence sweeps by using dd 2 times the guy cries and goes home
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I think it would be more something like this:

"Oh, look, there is my Salamence, use Dragon Dance!"
(Guy using Umbreon switches to Cresselia)
"Salamence, use Dragon Dance!"
(Cresselia uses Ice Beam)
Then the Salamence dies and the guy who used it cries and goes home.

@Kittylitter, what Grass and Steel type Pokémon exactly do you recommend?

Also, it doesn't sound like a good idea to give Rhyperior rest, something with a water/grass special attack will just come in and destroy it.
 
@griffins i hear you but i am still pondering on the rest thing
@kitty have 3 and dousknoir and vaporeon and i can take weavill out with an fighting move but i need help you cant just say ow look you have a weakness put this type in and there you go suggest a pokemon the name not the type and help doint hinder

ok now you can you see i am stuck so all help is apprichiated
 
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im newcomer 8D weakened to an ^vire ( poke 466 )sorry for the english .
 
what
you are spanish i see and how is that helping my team
 
im from spain you are electricvire weak
 
He isn't. Dusknoir counters it. Rhyperior does a decent job countering the physical sets.
 
ok i will try to sort out the ice weakness i have just tested this out on shoddy and it is doing crap plz help
 
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I'm starting to feel sorry for my self cuz i look at all the other teams on here and they all seem so good the you have my team that isn't that good but i would reallym like some help on this guys plz and i hav put in for rhyperior

swords dance avalanch earthqake and hammer arm how do you think that is i am now up for pokemon replacments aswell as move set suggestions
 
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