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Introducing...Team Fail!

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flyingchicken

Deathaura
Not really team "fail", I just like the name.
This is just a modified version of my favorite Shoddy team, which I use most often and I get the most wins with. And, it only has one OU. The rest are BL and lower.

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Rampardos @ Focus Sash
Ability: Mold Breaker
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 252 Atk/252 Spe/4 SpD
- Crunch
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge
- Rock Polish

My lead. After one rock polish, Rampardos has a speed of roughly 430, outspeeding almost everything. OHKO's leads such as Azelf, Salamence, Empoleon, etc. Focus sash lets me live through an attack, rock polish, then dish out the damage.
Unfortunatly, leads such as Scizor, Hippowdon, and Breloom force me to switch this out. Ninjask and Yanmega are problems, but I can usually take care of them if I don't rock polish, or the things they Baton pass to.

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Espeon @ Leftovers
Ability: Synchronize
Nature: Timid
EVs: 252 SpA/252 Spe/4 HP
- Calm Mind
- Psychic
- Hidden Power [Fighting]
- Grass Knot

My main special sweeper. Most people don't use Espe as a sweep, so this is usually unexpected. Calm mind on the switch, then proceed to take out what replaces it. Psychic for STAB, HP for Tyranitars, Magnezones, and anything else that it's effective against. Grass Knot for the likes of Swampert and Hippowdon. Of course, it has its weaknesses. It speed ties with Gengar, but Espe is usually slower, so I switch if I don't have a calm mind boost to take the Shadow Ball. Scizor is also a big problem; you can see why. I won't bother to explain the rest.

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Manectric @ Expert Belt
Ability: Static
Nature: Timid
EVs: 252 SpA/252 Spe/4 HP
- Thunderbolt
- Flamethrower
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Charge Beam

My other special sweeper. Manectric is extremely underrated. It OHKO's Metagross, Scizor, Forretress, and the like with Flamethrower. Charge beam is for the SpA boost, and Hidden Power Ice is a OHKO on Salamence, Gliscor, etc. Whenever I suspect Electivire (which is a lot), I go for flamethrower, which unfortunatly, without a charge beam boost, is a 3HKO on Electivire, so I usually switch out.

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Donphan @ Leftovers
Ability: Sturdy
Nature: Impish
EVs: 252 HP/4 Atk/252 Def
- Earthquake
- Ice Shard
- Stealth Rock
- Rapid Spin

Standard Donphan; set up SR, spin anything away, and basically...yeah.

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Umbreon @ Leftovers
Ability: Synchronize
Nature: Sassy
EVs: 252 HP/4 Def/252 SpD
- Wish
- Curse
- Payback
- Protect

My favorite, and my tankish pokemon. Go for curse, wish+protect if needed, repeat, then proceed to use payback. The likes of WOW, T-wave, and Toxic threaten this set, though.

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Staraptor @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Intimidate
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 60 HP/252 Atk/196 Spe
- Close Combat
- Brave Bird
- U-turn
- Return

I normally don't like Choice items, but after replacing my Mixape with this, it is truly the better option.

This is my team. The main problems are the pokemon I'm weak to. I'm annoyed by Ninjask/Yanmega, but I can usually get them. Scizor is my team's biggest threat, as sometimes Manectric is not there to KO it. Also, sometimes my Umbreon's SpD is just not enough, and Gengar/Alakazam Focus Blast it away. I have no healer, so any status stay there.

Please suggest anything you think that will improve my team, but I am not getting rid of Umbreon or Espeon. They're my favs.
 
ExplodingMuk said:
Ramparados want Jolly and Endeavor over Crunch.
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Why Jolly? After a rock polish, it's faster than most things (non-scarfed), and Adamant gives it max attack.
Endeavor...I'll try that out, but I'm worried about the likes of Dusknoir and Azelf without a supereffective hit.
 
The problem with a set-up starter is that most leads carry Focus Sashes also. So likely you will Rock Polish up they will set up SR, and then they are free to do whatever, Explode, switch to a counter. In summary, not a good idea.

No-one expects Espeon sweeping, but it isn't hard to stop, thats the problem. He is outclassed by Gengar completely and Alakazam too.

Manetric cannot OHKO Metagross, at least not those that invest heavily in Hp, which is almost every set.

Donphan is Donphan, standard.

IMO Umbreon is usless outside of a Trap/Pass set, but that takes serious prediction skills to not trap the wrong pokemon.

I don't really know Staraptor, so I'll leave that be.

This team lacks synergy, it is clearly just a few of your favourites thrown together, it is torn to shreds by Scizor/Salamence/Lucario/MixApe and most of the other top OU threats.

This is all essential when constructing a team, which you seem to have neglected, I hate saying this (though it happens very often) but I suggest starting again, taking into account team synergy, and making sure that you have methods of eliminating possible threats.
 
ExplodingMuk: Thanks, I'll take that into account.

The problem with a set-up starter is that most leads carry Focus Sashes also. So likely you will Rock Polish up they will set up SR, and then they are free to do whatever, Explode, switch to a counter. In summary, not a good idea.

No-one expects Espeon sweeping, but it isn't hard to stop, thats the problem. He is outclassed by Gengar completely and Alakazam too.

Manetric cannot OHKO Metagross, at least not those that invest heavily in Hp, which is almost every set.

Donphan is Donphan, standard.

IMO Umbreon is usless outside of a Trap/Pass set, but that takes serious prediction skills to not trap the wrong pokemon.

I don't really know Staraptor, so I'll leave that be.

This team lacks synergy, it is clearly just a few of your favourites thrown together, it is torn to shreds by Scizor/Salamence/Lucario/MixApe and most of the other top OU threats.

This is all essential when constructing a team, which you seem to have neglected, I hate saying this (though it happens very often) but I suggest starting again, taking into account team synergy, and making sure that you have methods of eliminating possible threats.
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True, my Rampardos is sort of easy to counter, but it depends what they switch to.

Yes, Espeon is outclassed, but it works well as a Special sweeper the way it is. Would you have any suggestions for a modified moveset perhaps?

Manectric can OHKO Metagross. I've done it a lot of times. I don't know if they were max HP or not, but it usually gets the job done.

Like I said, the problem with Umbreon is that the SpD is sometimes not enough. If I used the Trap/pass set, I would be losing my more defensive poke. What I really need is a better tank; then maybe the trap/pass set will work.

Truthfully, I was sick of so many OUs, so I looked at the BL and lower category to find pokemon for my team. Some of them are favorites, yes, but if placed in a better team, you know they would do very well.

Scizor, Mence, and Lucario are only dangerous if they set up a speed increase, which unfortunatly is common with mence. Before the boost, Manectric can outspeed it and OHKO it HP ice, same with Scizor and Flamethrower. I can usually Close combat Cario with Starapter, seeing as it has Scarf.
Mixape is slower than Espeon.

As well as this team has worked for me, you're right. Which poke should I start with? Rampardos?
 
Espeon @ Leftovers
Ability: Synchronize
Nature: Timid
EVs: 252 SpA/252 Spe/4 HP
- Calm Mind
- Psychic
- Hidden Power [Fighting]
- Grass Knot

My main special sweeper. Most people don't use Espe as a sweep, so this is usually unexpected. Calm mind on the switch, then proceed to take out what replaces it. Psychic for STAB, HP for Tyranitars, Magnezones, and anything else that it's effective against. Grass Knot for the likes of Swampert and Hippowdon. Of course, it has its weaknesses. It speed ties with Gengar, but Espe is usually slower, so I switch if I don't have a calm mind boost to take the Shadow Ball. Scizor is also a big problem; you can see why. I won't bother to explain the rest.


ive learned to never underestimate one, and this one looks pretty good, i dont like this moveset, but people will cause a ruckus if i suggest my favorite moveset, they say it is "bad", well not really, back to the espeon, it needs wise glasses, espeon is made to do a couple hits and get out of there, leftovers isnt gonna have time to do its best job, i still think every espeon should have shadow ball. but go with whatever fits your team...

and on the umbreon, i prefer the screech/mean look/baton pass/wish set, you know, mean look, then screechx2, then wish, then baton pass to an extremespeeder, pretrty efective too.
 
espeon13x said:
ive learned to never underestimate one, and this one looks pretty good, i dont like this moveset, but people will cause a ruckus if i suggest my favorite moveset, they say it is "bad", well not really, back to the espeon, it needs wise glasses, espeon is made to do a couple hits and get out of there, leftovers isnt gonna have time to do its best job, i still think every espeon should have shadow ball. but go with whatever fits your team...

and on the umbreon, i prefer the screech/mean look/baton pass/wish set, you know, mean look, then screechx2, then wish, then baton pass to an extremespeeder, pretrty efective too.
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Thanks for the advice; I'll do that with Espeon.

That Umbreon set doesn't exactly appeal to me, but I'll probably modify it anyway.

Also, I'm thinking of fitting a SubSeeder Sceptile and a Defensive Zapdos in here.
 
you dont need to change it, i was just saying that was another way, if it doesnt fit your team dont ruin a good eeveelution.
 
yea, try a spiritomb, they are wicked.
 
You don't have an answer for +1 Mence or Gyra. Also, SD luke wipe out your team. You count that will always avoid their setup cause most times you won't. As you switch to Magnetric, they will set up and you're dead. Also, scarf poke outrun him and espeon and very frail as they are, will OHKO them. Gengar is a good example.

Your lead dies hard to 4 of the most common lead: Azelf, Aerodactyl, Swampert and Metagross.

Metagross will quake or meteor mash + bp you. So your rock polish is wasted. Swampert won't be OHKOed and will quake or surf you to death.

Azelf and Aero are worst: they won't let you RP with taunt. Will set up and finish you.

Kingdra may also set up in front off all members.

Staraptor is definately outclassed by other heavy attackers. Magnetric is novelty.

Gengar does better what he's trying to do. Espeon is also outclassed by Kazam.
 
you guys are such espeon haters. haha, try something different!!! dont go with everyone else, i like the manetric choice, and just because he isnt as "good" as gengar and alakazam, i have an alakazam, and i still dont like him very much, pretty much perfect stats too, and talk about frail, use the espeon, ive knocked out crazy stuff with one psychic.
 
espeon13x said:
you guys are such espeon haters. haha, try something different!!! dont go with everyone else, i like the manetric choice, and just because he isnt as "good" as gengar and alakazam, i have an alakazam, and i still dont like him very much, pretty much perfect stats too, and talk about frail, use the espeon, ive knocked out crazy stuff with one psychic.
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No, we're not one poke or other hater. Espeon is my second favorite eevolution but unfortunately it doesn't stand OU environment.

People just don't understand that. Some pokes lack that "special something" to be in OU but as they are still strong, there is a place called UU where they may reign.

Espeon is excelent in UU, but the reason its OU is that he is outclassed by other poke or pokes.

Jolteon is much stronger than Magnetric. The only arguable advantage would be flamethrower, but even so it's just not worth it.
 
you make a good point, but i still think espeon deserves more respect, i fight everything with my espeon, and i dont have an ev-trained one yet(im working on it, he is shiny, and great ivs.:D ) , and adding a jolteon would make it a little eeveelution heavy, dont ya think?
 
espeon13x said:
you make a good point, but i still think espeon deserves more respect, i fight everything with my espeon, and i dont have an ev-trained one yet(im working on it, he is shiny, and great ivs.:D ) , and adding a jolteon would make it a little eeveelution heavy, dont ya think?
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I'd only stick with jolteon over magnetric. Umbreon should give place to Blissey. Espeon, as mentioned, is outclassed.
 
MajorGambit said:
You don't have an answer for +1 Mence or Gyra. Also, SD luke wipe out your team. You count that will always avoid their setup cause most times you won't. As you switch to Magnetric, they will set up and you're dead. Also, scarf poke outrun him and espeon and very frail as they are, will OHKO them. Gengar is a good example.

Your lead dies hard to 4 of the most common lead: Azelf, Aerodactyl, Swampert and Metagross.

Metagross will quake or meteor mash + bp you. So your rock polish is wasted. Swampert won't be OHKOed and will quake or surf you to death.

Azelf and Aero are worst: they won't let you RP with taunt. Will set up and finish you.

Kingdra may also set up in front off all members.

Staraptor is definately outclassed by other heavy attackers. Magnetric is novelty.

Gengar does better what he's trying to do. Espeon is also outclassed by Kazam.
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I'm not stupid. I'm aware of taunt, and I go for the Stone Edge. I never Polish faced by a Metagross, and I switch out from Swampert.

Staraptor works fine for me.

I get what you're saying, but sometimes it's the better choice. When faced by a Salamence with no boost, HP ice is a OHKO on mence. Flamethrower catches most Electivire off guard and gets SE hits on a lot of things.

Just so you know, I detest most OU's. They're too, well, overused. No blissey for me. Manectric will probably be replaced by Zapdos.

Actually, do you think it would be a good idea to change Espeon to a Baton Pass set?
 
There's nothing wrong with using UU Pokémon... in UU battles. Sorry, but this is the competitive RMT forum. You actually said it yourself, Espeon is outclassed. Use it if you want, but don't complain when we tell you that you should change it.

And with what you said about the leads, if you have to abandon your strat against that many leads, it's not ideal. My current UU team lead gets its strategy done against every lead but one.
 
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In fact I was just dumb. I've just noticed that only Umbreon is OU. And Staraptor could be replaced by Swellow if it goes to OU definately.

Most of your team, almost all are UU. Why don't you play in UU?
 
Fine, I see your point. Does a Baton Pass Espeon set sound good?

I don't play UU because I like to play in the main tier, OU. There are plenty of UUs that prove themselves worthy of competing in OU. I like to prove that.
 
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