Off guard!!!

[CROWN]

This is a sweeping team to catch foes OFF GUARD!!! a little anyway.


Scizor@Leftovers
Jolly EV:148Spe/80Atk/200HP/82Def

1:Aerial Ace
2:Agility
3:Baton Pass
4:Bullet Punch
My first anwer to Scarfcross and it is Also my new lead. He baton passes agilty to my other sweepers and can defend himself somewhat with Aerial Ace and Bullet Punch.

Espeon@Life Orb
Timid EV:252SpAtk/Spe

1sychic
2:HP(FIGHTING)
3:Shadow Ball
4:Calm mind

My special sweeper.Shadow Ball so I don't have to run whenever somone brings out a ghost type.HP(FIGHTING) is for T-tar, Also if he recieves even one agility boost(which is what I intend for him to have so even a Choice Scarf Weavile cant outrun him) his speed doubles in other words700 SPEED.He is a wish recipient otherwise he has a maximum of 10 moves then life orb would KO him.

Lucario@ Choice Scarf
Adamant EV:252Atk/252Spe

1: Close Combat
2: Ice Punch
3: Bullet Punch
4: Swords Dance

Another physical sweeper. CC is for STAB, Ice Punch for dragons/grounds, Bullet Punch gives STAB and speed priority, Swords Dance is double my attack stat if used. He is my REVENGE KILLER.

Donphan@Leftovers

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Adamant EV:252Def/168Atk/102HP

1:Stealth Rock
2:Earthquake
3:Ice Shard
4:Rapid Spin

My SR user he sets up SR. Earthquake is for STAB and coverage Ice Shard is for speed priority and type coverage. Rapid Spin is for the obvious reasons.

Gliscor@Leftovers
Impish EV:180HP/56Def/56Atk/218Spe

1: Roost
2: Fire Fang
3: Earthquake
4: Swords Dance
My physical wall/sweeper. Being a bulky ground he can take a number of hits and his decent Atk stat allows for sweeping abilities. Blue Ace helped me both for this Gliscor and my Lucario


Vaporeon@Leftovers
Bold EV:252SpAtk/SpDef

1: Surf
2: Acid Armor
3: Baton Pass
4: Wish

My tank/semi-sweeper. He is also my second baton passer being able to baton pass double defense and wish adds to the survivabilty of the team as a whole CHANGES ARE IN BOLD. ​

 

[beavercakes]

That is so hard to read, you need to leave spaces inbetween pokemon

I wouldnt have razor claw on Gallade, i'd stick life orb on it instead

and i think protect works well on vaporeon with wish, i'd replace ice beam or HP electric with it

 

[Retro Returns]

You need to rethink the items. Half are hax (is that a common rule round here?) and the other half arn't that great. Other than the espeon, where I would go with the life orb or maybe focus sash, seeing as you are trying to clam mind with a pretty fragile pokemon.

 

[corpy]

This is a sweeping team to catch foes OFF GUARD!!! a little anyway.
My lead:

Absol@focus sash
Adamant EV:252Atk/Spe

1:Taunt
2sycho Cut
3:Swords Dance
4:Sucker Punch
My lead and physical sweeper.

I don't see it lasting very long given absols defences, so it's rather doubtful you will pull of that swords dance. If you want to keep the moveset, you could opt for a focus sash over razor claw to be sure to pull off a swords dance. Even then, adamant Absol caps at 249 speed so it won't be outspeeding a great deal of (fragile and after a swords dance OHKO'able) sweepers. I get the logic then with sucker punch but then at least give it taunt over night slash so it will always hit ánd you won't get whirlwinded away after a SD.

Espeon@Expert Belt/Life Orb
Timid EV:252SpAtk/Spe

1sychic
2:Reflect
3:Calm Mind
4:Shadow Ball

My special sweeper.Shadow Ball so I don't have to run whenever somone brings out a ghost type.
Dark types, or Scizor on the other hand... I personally don't like Espeon that much as a sweeper, I would consider say a (standard) Gengar, covers more angles.

Lucario@Wise Glasses
modest EV:252SpAtk/252Spe
1: Aure Sphere
2: Calm Mind
3: Dark Pulse
4: Dragon Pulse

Backup special sweeper. Too much speed EVs it sits in between tiers without (again) the chance to get up there with the really speedy ones. And again it's very optimistic to think it will last to set up a calm mind. (and benefit from the boost, certainly with naughty...) This brings the number of fragile sweepers on 3 already.

Gallade@leftovers
Adamant EV:252Atkno speed EVs needed with thunder wave, place it in his defenses
1:Close Combat
2:Psycho Cut
3:Night Slash
4:Thunder Wave

My backup physical sweeper for if/when Absol goes down. Same goes for this Gallade, razor claw is not needed,give it leftover instead. Secondly Gallade has the potential to be quite "bulky" regarding sp.def. To compensate for it's speed use Thunder wave. I would put it over swords dance, as what is it's use when close combat lowers your (already overlooked) defenses and can support the other slower sweeper. (Lucario and absol) I would also put Psycho Cut over Ice punch, PC gains STAB.

Umbreon@Dark Plate
GENTLE EV:252SpDef/SPATK
1: Dark Pulse
2: Toxic
3: Wish
4: Substitute

My main wall. I won't get rid of him/Vaporeon/Espeon/Absol not without the absolute very best reasons for EACH SPECIFICALLY but I am willing to change movesets.Okay, want a very good reason ? You can't do *** about a Scizor setting up swords dances in your face and can then whipe 4 pokémon outright and probably vaporeon too. Doubt Lucario would safe your rear end...So if I were you I would reconsider your wall.. a dark plate dark pulse "wall" without a specificly defensive spread is well... pure suicide.

Vaporeon@Life Orb/Wide Lensreconsider.....lefties for example
Bold EV:252SpAtk/Def
1: Hydro Pump/Water Pulsesurf anyone ? reliable good power for accuracy and STAB
2: Wish
3: Ice Beam
4: HP(Electric)No longer needed if you take gengar with T-bolt, you could opt for protect, combined with lefties and wish support makes for a good recovery option.

My secondary tank/semi-sweeper.

changes in bold... apart from the spacing I introduced for readability....

 

[ForteXXX]

Could everyone please stop with the "put spaces" comments, I PM'd him and if you look he's not on the forums right now.

If you're going to use Absol as a lead try:

Absol@Choice Scarf
Trait: Strong Luck
EVs: 32 hp / 252 Atk / 224 Spd
Jolly Nature
- Me First
- Sucker Punch
- Stone Edge
- Taunt
Frost Nova's set from a LONG time ago. I edited Taunt in as lots of pokemon leads are mainly support and Taunt would be good. Me First lets you fire back hard hitters moves back at them like SpecsGar and CBMence.

Lucario wants Specs and the set Aura Sphere / Dark Pulse / Hidden Power {Ice}(or Dragon Pulse) / Vacuum Wave.

For Vapreon use Wish / Protect / Surf / Hidden Power {Dragon} so you can hit Kingdra. and Lefties with the EV's: 124 Hp / 252 Def / 132 SDef

Umbreon is too situational, use something else, though if you must use Mean Look / Baton Pass / Toxic(or Yawn or Curse) / Wish and leftovers

On Espeon you want Life Orb and Grass Knot/Hidden Power {Fire} over Reflect.

Note: Item Clause is not standard, use the same item as much as you want!! Choice Items, Life Orb, and Leftovers are very helpful!

 

[CROWN]

Okay naughty nature on Lucario was a typo. Corpy thanks for the advice but Espeon is the main reason I called this team OFF GUARD!!! nobody expects any real power from an Espeon thus they get killed by it. Espeon is only fragile if it has to face PHYSICAL strikes and thats why I have reflect. To ForteXXX I'll be taking your advice about Espeon/Vaporeon. Sorry Corpy but Gallade staysEXACTLY THE SAME because I've tested how this moveset works and well it works wonders. Though I may consider choice scarf on Lucario. I'll change absol to a sweeper and add taunt but I'm getting rid of Umbreon for Scizor, I'll start editing now. Uggghh... cant finish now later.

 

[PhantomSoul]

Beware of Heracross is all I need to say as its megahorn kills off most of your team and fighting attacks kill Lucario this is especially dangerous if that Heracross happens to be a choice scarf Hera which has about 403 speed without a + speed nature. This means even maxed speed Espeon isn't fast enough to kill it with Psychic. If you want a pure sweeper team and kill Heracross you could try using the revenge killer Dugtrio and aerial ace....

Personally I like to have multiple status inducers just in case......

 

[ForteXXX]

Beware of Heracross is all I need to say as its megahorn kills off most of your team and fighting attacks kill Lucario this is especially dangerous if that Heracross happens to be a choice scarf Hera which has about 403 speed without a + speed nature. This means even maxed speed Espeon isn't fast enough to kill it with Psychic.

Aye, I'm an idiot for not seeing that before. Replace Umbreon with Weezing or Gliscor, preferably a ResTalk set as you have no StatusAbsorber. Weezing wants Rest/Sleep Talk/Flamethrower/WoW
Can't recommend a ResTalking Gliscor as I've never used one before… but yes, you NEED a status absorber.

 

[CROWN]

I've got a Gliscor but it's a sweeper so as it has Ice Fang and Aerial Ace so I'm good to go. Also this is a mostly pure sweeping team.

 

[PhantomSoul]

But Dugtrio is fun to use sometimes....

 

[bookist]

id give absol a jolly nature since he is not especially fast otherwise. and even then it can get risky.

 

[FurretFreak]

This is a sweeping team to catch foes OFF GUARD!!! a little anyway.

My lead:
Absol@Razor Claw = illegal Use Choice Band or Life OrbAdamant EV:252Atk/Spe

1:Night Slash
2sycho Cut
3:Swords Dance
4:Sucker Punch

My lead and physical sweeper.

Espeon@Life Orb or Choice Specs
Timid EV:252SpAtk/Spe

1sychic
2:Reflect
3:Calm Mind
4:Shadow Ball

My special sweeper.Shadow Ball so I don't have to run whenever somone brings out a ghost type.

Lucario@Choice Specs if you want, maybe you dont like being stuck...if not then Life Orb
Modest or Timid EV:252SpAtk/252Spe

1: Aure Sphere
2: Calm Mind
3: Dark Pulse
4: Dragon Pulse

Backup LOL special sweeper.

Gallade@ LO or CB again, maybe expert belt
Adamant EV:252Atk/Spe

1:Close Combat
2:Ice Punch
3:Night Slash
4:Swords Dance

My backup LOL physical sweeper for if/when Absol goes down.

Umbreon@ Leftovers
Calm for more SpDef and Modest for more SpAtk EV:252SpDef/SPATK

1: Dark Pulse
2: Toxic
3: Wish
4: Substitute

My main wall. I won't get rid of him/Vaporeon/Espeon/Absol not without the absolute very best reasons for EACH SPECIFICALLY but I am willing to
change movesets.

You might want to consider Mean Look over something (Dark Pulse or Toxic) so you can PassTrap to one of your many sweepers. If you do max out HP and SpDef, with a Calm nature.

Vaporeon@Life Orb
Bold EV:252SpAtk/Def

1: Water Pulse
2: Wish
3: Ice Beam
4: HP(Electric)

My secondary tank/semi-sweeper.

Changes in BOLD

I tried to keep your sweeping cpabilities

 

[Wynzerman]

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3/5 Sandslash

Why 3/5?: While generally a good idea a team of sweeps and walls is pretty boring. I like the use of Absol and Espeon, but they're all a little to cookie cutter to be honest. Try spreading EVs out a little more and working on the movesets so that you can truely catch your foe off guard.

Suggestions...
-Future Sight for Espeon and MetalSound for Lucario... with the proper timing this could devastate a foe (especially if you happen to have a hazing move, this could potentially ruin a Garchomp, Dragonite ectectect)
-Consider AcidArmor for your Vaporeon, if possible Fake Tears could help your special offensives a great deal
-Generally try to give your pokes more moves that increase their overall team effort, synchronizing different aspects to benefit and support other pokemon can make the difference between the team running smoothly or tripping into every hole that comes down the road.

 

[Frost Nova]

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3/5 Sandslash

Why 3/5?: While generally a good idea a team of sweeps and walls is pretty boring. I like the use of Absol and Espeon, but they're all a little to cookie cutter to be honest. Try spreading EVs out a little more and working on the movesets so that you can truely catch your foe off guard.

Suggestions...
-Future Sight for Espeon and MetalSound for Lucario... with the proper timing this could devastate a foe (especially if you happen to have a hazing move, this could potentially ruin a Garchomp, Dragonite ectectect)
-Consider AcidArmor for your Vaporeon, if possible Fake Tears could help your special offensives a great deal
-Generally try to give your pokes more moves that increase their overall team effort, synchronizing different aspects to benefit and support other pokemon can make the difference between the team running smoothly or tripping into every hole that comes down the road.

Did someone forget to tell you that sucky advice is generally frowned on? Oh wait, you were supposed to read the rules.

I'm not even going to bother rating this team, it's weak to so many threats it's not even funny.

 

[Wynzerman]

Did someone forget to tell you that sucky advice is generally frowned on? Oh wait, you were supposed to read the rules.

I'm not even going to bother rating this team, it's weak to so many threats it's not even funny.

Ah but I don't see what was sucky about that post, it was thoughtful and simple advice. As for the rules, I was giving suggestions, not advice. Suggestions being ideas to try or concider, advice being the act of telling the thread starter how to do what.

As for the rule about "not knowing what I'm posting about" I have gone through this team to find the best advice I could. For example Future Sight is a move based on the SAtk of the activating Pokemon and th SDef of the recieving Pokemon at the time of activation, thus using Fake Tears or Metal Sound will make a Future Sight that inflicts quite a bit of pain, plus the move used on that future turn. Acid Armor is a basic Vaporeon option as it is the same as IronDefense which makes Vaporeon much more viable in physical dominant battle. Synchronizing a team is just common sense and a small detail often forgot when building pokes individually.

I also find it pretty disturbing that you're a reccomended team rater yet instead of constructively pointing out the error of my post or the threadmaker's post you start flaming and give no real rating for this team, therefore on some boards you could be called spammer. The fact that you would even post and then ignore the topic with a single sentence is also proof that you're out to be a bully so lets here it for the great Frost Nova -clapclapclap-

Also to make sure I am not doing the same thing and ignoring the topic. It seems noone else gave an actual rating (this doesn't include BErating). I do think that with a bit more work and some thoughtful combos and pokemon swaps it could work very nicely, but the common Fighting weakness shared by half of the team (Lucario, Umbreon, Absol) can limit it's potential to last long. I also think the choice of 3 Eevee evolutions and a Lucario with Aurasphere limit it's unpredictability and Gallade just doesn't fit in with the rest of the team.

 

[randomspot555]

Ah but I don't see what was sucky about that post, it was thoughtful and simple advice. As for the rules, I was giving suggestions, not advice. Suggestions being ideas to try or concider, advice being the act of telling the thread starter how to do what.

No, it really is bad advice (and a bit spammy with the smiley abuse).

Future Sight is a horrible attack. Switch in one of the numerous OU Dark Pokemon, and it's null and void. And your third comment is extremely vague advice that pretty much could be applied to any team building, and thus, useless.

As for no one actually rating the team, that's because it's not a good team to rate.

As I said in a previous CROWNE thread, this could easily be taken down by Heracross.

Espeon with Megahorn.
Absol, Lucario, and Umbreon with Close Combat (though Umbreon might requite two hits depending on if it's a Band or a Scarfcross). And Umbreon has a chance of activating GUTS. Choice item+Guts pretty much = game over.

And Vaporeon and Gallade, while they don't have any weaknesses Heracross can exploit, aren't any major threats as long as Heracross has 1-2 Pokemon to back it up with.

 

[bookist]

um for the record if memory serves future sight (like stuggle) is actually typeless. Try it out.

 

[randomspot555]

You're correct. I still don't think it's a worthwhile move.

 

[Retro Returns]

You need to rethink the items. Half are hax (is that a common rule round here?) and the other half arn't that great. Other than the espeon, where I would go with the life orb or maybe focus sash, seeing as you are trying to clam mind with a pretty fragile pokemon.

Oops I forgot how tough umbreon is. What I load of rubbish. I think I'm getting confused with espeon.

 

[Wynzerman]

No, it really is bad advice (and a bit spammy with the smiley abuse).

Future Sight is a horrible attack. Switch in one of the numerous OU Dark Pokemon, and it's null and void. And your third comment is extremely vague advice that pretty much could be applied to any team building, and thus, useless.

As for no one actually rating the team, that's because it's not a good team to rate.

As I said in a previous CROWNE thread, this could easily be taken down by Heracross.

Espeon with Megahorn.
Absol, Lucario, and Umbreon with Close Combat (though Umbreon might requite two hits depending on if it's a Band or a Scarfcross). And Umbreon has a chance of activating GUTS. Choice item+Guts pretty much = game over.

And Vaporeon and Gallade, while they don't have any weaknesses Heracross can exploit, aren't any major threats as long as Heracross has 1-2 Pokemon to back it up with.

Sorry dude, Future Sight hits all types the same reguardless of weakness or resistance to psychic, so no it's actually pretty good advice. I already made a point to address his team having common exploitable weaknesses and advised some poke swapping. You've only accomplished pointing out how a scarfcross in theory would wreck his team which, while true, was only giving a single scenario in which this team would be in grave danger. Despite this, I see Lucario, Espeon and Absol as a solid core for a team, thus his idea has potential, given CROWN will take the time to think his movesets and lineup out a little more.

EDIT: I don't mean you any disrespect but just because Future Sight doesn't suit your favorite style of play doesn't mean it's a useless move alltogether.