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Imperator_Venit

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All help is appreciated. I just built this team this morning, and it works to a degree on Shoddy. Well, here it is:

Ninjask @ Focus Sash
Speed Boost
Jolly
252 HP / 252 Spd / 6 Def
- Protect
- Sunny Day
- Sword Dance
- Baton Pass

Sunny Day for support with Heatran, as well as supporting Cresselia in with Moonlight.

Machamp @ Expert Belt / ???
No Guard
Adamant
252 Atk / 252 Spd / 6 HP
- Dynamicpunch
- Stone Edge
- Thunderpunch
- Icepunch

If Ninjask can baton pass to Machamp a Sword Dance and maximum speed, then this becomes a really scary prospect. I don't know if Thunderpunch and Icepunch together is the best option, though, so help is appreciated.

Garchomp @ Life Orb
Sand Veil
Adamant
252 Atk / 252 Spd / 6 HP
- Outrage
- Earthquake
- Fire Fang
- Crunch

I didn't give Chomp Scarf / Band, for two reasons. One, Ninjask can baton pass the speed to Chomp, and two many people will be expecting Choice, so they will switch in something that resists it (e.g. Flying type switching in after KO on earthquake).

Heatran @ Choice Specs
Flash Fire
Modest
252 HP / 252 Sp Atk / 6 Def
- Flamethrower
- Overheat / Earth Power
- Dragon Pulse
- Hidden Power (Fighting) / Earth Power

This set works well, for me, because either way, Heatran hits very hard. Again Ninjask can pass some speed to Heatran, but won't happen often, due to Garchomp and Machamp being there as better options. Help is again necessary for moveset.

Starmie @ Wise Glasses
Natural Cure
Timid
252 Sp Atk / 252 Spd / 4 HP
- Ice Beam
- Thunderbolt
- Surf
- Rapid Spin

Rapid Spinner as well as status absorber.

Cresselia @ Leftovers
Bold
252 HP / 200 Def / 56 Sp Def
- Moonlight
- Calm Mind
- Charge Beam
- Ice Beam

This set has worked wonders in the past, Calm Minding a couple of times after someone switches, then Moonlights the damage off. This set can be stuffed up with sandstorm, though, but I'd like to keep it.

Well, there's my team, any suggestions are welcome.
 
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Status gives you pains without something to absorb it, as will SR, which if they get down will spell the end of doing anything with ninjask.
 
Two in one is starmie. reSTalk cress is also an option.
 
Yes, and here's a good set for Starmie.

Starmie|Timid @Choice Specs/Life Orb/Wise Glasses
- Ice Beam
- Thunderbolt
- Surf
- Recover/Rapid Spin/(Grass Knot/Psychic)
EVs: 252 Sp Atk/252 Spd/4 HP

Now, recover if Life Orb, Specs if you want to be an all out attacker (in which case give it Grass Knot, Psychic) and Wise Glasses if your going for a Rapid Spinner.
 
Might I suggest

move 1: Swords Dance
move 2: Baton Pass
move 3: Protect
move 4: Sunny Day
item: Focus Sash
ability:
nature: Jolly
evs: 176 HP / 252 Atk / 80 Spd

It powers up heatran aswell as helping cresselia's moonlight
 
unaware said:
Might I suggest

move 1: Swords Dance
move 2: Baton Pass
move 3: Protect
move 4: Sunny Day
item: Focus Sash
ability:
nature: Jolly
evs: 176 HP / 252 Atk / 80 Spd

It powers up heatran aswell as helping cresselia's moonlight
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That sounds good, except I don't understand the reasoning behind giving Ninjask 252 Atk EVs.
 
It doesn't suit what he wants most; speed.

He aims usually to BP Speed Boosts to Machamp, and I see no help of that in your set.
 
Conquistador said:
It doesn't suit what he wants most; speed.

He aims usually to BP Speed Boosts to Machamp, and I see no help of that in your set.
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no pokemon needs more than 2 boosts and that ninjask gives that, aswell as helping other team members


edit: accidental double post. soz
 
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unaware said:
no pokemon needs more than 2 boosts and that ninjask gives that, aswell as helping other team members
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Shuckle is still useless with six XD

So yeah, you should update your first post Eevee Ganeral. I have to agree with most of what has been said. sunny day is a good idea here and works great with the rest of the team.
 
unaware said:
no pokemon needs more than 2 boosts and that ninjask gives that, aswell as helping other team members
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While I don't disagree that your set works, Machamp still won't be fast everything that he wants to outspeed, e.g. choice scarf garchomp. Also, now that think about it, my Ninjask moveset is meant to be used at least twice. Once for the speed and a possible Sword Dance, and the second for the speed and Liechi boost.

Edit: I'll change Ninjask's moveset anyway
 
unaware said:
Might I suggest

move 1: Swords Dance
move 2: Baton Pass
move 3: Protect
move 4: Sunny Day
item: Focus Sash
ability:
nature: Jolly
evs: 176 HP / 252 Atk / 80 Spd

It powers up heatran aswell as helping cresselia's moonlight
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this set gives you minimums three speed boosts and a swords dance, so it will give machamp everyhting he needs.
 
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Lord_Sunday said:
this set gives you minimus three speed boosts and a swords dance, so it will give machamp everyhting he needs.
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Or if you encounter a ttar lead/use sunny day, you get +3 spd, and no atk.
 
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But you wont get the chance for a Sunny Day with that set (or Ninjask at all), ESPECIALLY without a Substitute.

EDIT: By the way, just for the record, I agree with that set apart from the Sunny Day.
 
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pokemon used attack
ninjask used protect

pokemon used attack
ninjask used sunny day / swords dance
ninjask survives with focus sash

pokemon used attack
ninjask used protect

ninjask baton passes to heatran/chomp/champ

sweep
 
Its not like its a sunny day team or anything. he doesnt neeeeeeed it.

unaware said:
pokemon used attack
ninjask used protect

pokemon used attack
ninjask used sunny day / swords dance
ninjask survives with focus sash

pokemon used attack
ninjask used protect

ninjask baton passes to heatran/chomp/champ

sweep
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Ninjask will only use sunny day if ther eis a sandstorm, in which case his focus sash will be ruined after one turn, so he has to sunny day the first turn. His sash is then broken by the incoming attack. then he protects and passes a total of two boosts.
 
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