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Sphyxius

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Have you guys noticed that in every gen each starter seems to fulfill one of three roles... there's usually one thats a competitive beast that is very hyped and overused but not very well liked by a lot of fans for other reasons... one thats really cool looking and that has a lot of fans but is somewhat below par competitively or just average... and then another one thats just a dud and has only a few die-hard fans.

Which starters from each gen do you think fit into these little niches and why?
 
1st Gen

Competitive - Charizard
Avergae - Blastoise
Dud - Venusaur

Charizard because he is generally OU.
Blastoise is quite good and a lot of people like him.
Venusaur because it was the only category left.

2nd Gen

Competitive - Feraligatr
Average - Typhlosion
Dud - Meganium

Don't know why really, just seems right.

3rd Gen

Competitive - Blaziken
Average - Sceptile
Dud - Swampert

Similar reasons to 1st gen

4th Gen

Competitive - Torterra
Average - Empoleon
Dud - Infernape

Purely because Torterra and Empoleon are used more in competitive than Infernape.
 
Ch0c0late Av3ng3r said:
1st Gen

Competitive - Charizard
Avergae - Blastoise
Dud - Venusaur

Charizard because he is generally OU.
Blastoise is quite good and a lot of people like him.
Venusaur because it was the only category left.
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Agree.


2nd Gen

Competitive - Typhlosion
Average - Feraligatr
Dud - Meganium

This looks alright.

3rd Gen

Competitive - Blaziken + Sceptile + Swampert
Average - None
Dud - None

Those all really suit the bill of cpmpeteive.

4th Gen

Competitive - Infernape
Average - Empoleon
Dud - Torterra

Seems right as well.
 
grass and water types just get cooler and cooler easily overshadowing their crappy fire types which get worse and worse (though typhlosions better than chrizard)

;352;
 
i think the sinnoh style is:
Competive: Torterra
Avarage: Infernape & Empoleon
Dud: none
 
Well I chose Venasaur, Typhlosion, Swampert, and Torterra. I'm not sure which is competetive or a dud, but I think I'd fall into the average or dud section. I base my starter choice on how it looks, not how strong or weak it is.
 
Ch0c0late Av3ng3r said:
1st Gen

Competitive - Charizard
Avergae - Blastoise
Dud - Venusaur

Charizard because he is generally OU.
Blastoise is quite good and a lot of people like him.
Venusaur because it was the only category left.
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Charizard is BL. And Venusaur is higher than Blastoise on the teir list.

2nd Gen

Competitive - Feraligatr
Average - Typhlosion
Dud - Meganium

Don't know why really, just seems right.
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Typhlosion is the highest tier wise. The other two are both UU so I don't really care how you put them.

3rd Gen

Competitive - Blaziken
Average - Sceptile
Dud - Swampert

Similar reasons to 1st gen
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Swampert is actually the most used starter competitive wise. Then Sceptile.

4th Gen

Competitive - Torterra
Average - Empoleon
Dud - Infernape

Purely because Torterra and Empoleon are used more in competitive than Infernape.
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Infernape is most used. Torterra is second I think.
 
1 gen:
Competitive: Charizard
avrg: Blastoise
Dud: Venusaur

2 gen:
Competitive: Typhlosion
avrg: Feraligtr
Dud: Meganium

3 gen:
Competitive: Swampert, Blaziken
avrg:Sceptile(THE BEST)
Dud: no really a dud in this gene.. :)

4 gen:
Competitive: Torterra
avrg: Empoleon
Dud: Infernape(Really good but still a dud.. it just looks stupid and its nothing compared to 2 below)
 
1st gen

Competative-Blastoise, I like it more than charizard for battling
Average-Charizard Don't like it's weaknesses
Dud- Venusaur, too many weakness to be defensive and it isn't very fast

2nd gen

Competative-Feraligatr, works well with flexible movesets and good speed and attack
Average-Meganium, I quitel iek it, mine works quite well
Dud, Typhlosion, but htat sed I haven't used it in 4th gen yet

3rd gen
Competative-Swampert, good all rounder, only 4xweakness to grass makes it resistant to most things
Average-Blazarkin, the attack change has reli improved things for this fella
Dud, Sceptile used to be the competitive one for me but my emerald one can't work properly on 4th gen due to the change,

Any PM's for a good moveset for FORTH GEN sceptile will be appreiated, preferably movesets that can be done without breeding

4th gen
dunno haven't used empoleon or infernape yet but torterra is good
 
1st Gen

Competitive - ???
Avergae - ???
Dud - ???

See, I get problems here already. Charizard is hardly a battle master, but it's overhyped alot. Venusaur is a beast to take down, but it's alot less populair , and not overused at all. Blastoise just plain sucks, but has ALOT of fans, who hardly consider it a dud

2nd Gen

Competitive - Typlosion
Average - Feraligatr
Dud - Meganium

This one is easy. Ever since Typhlosion got eruption, it's been like a 2nd Charizard. And to be honest, it is pretty good. Still, not as much of a competitive 'beast' as more standard sweepers, but by far the most common Johto starter. Feraligator is an okay Dragon Dancer, and a suberb Swords Dancer, but is generally overlooked and it's not exactly top OU. Meganium sucks, and everybody knows it.

Don't know why really, just seems right.

3rd Gen

Competitive - Swampert
Average - Sceptile
Dud - ???

Blaziken? a Dud? Well no, not really, but it's definatly the worst one in Competitive play. To call it a dud is hardly accurate howeverm seeing as it, like many other fire starters, has a huge fanbase. Swampert, on the other hand, is not populair, but it's overused as hell and praised for it's competitive excelency. And Sceptile, what can I say, it's, but Swampert is much better at what it does.

4th Gen

Competitive - Infernape
Average - ???
Dud - ???

Infernape is an overhyped, overused Pokemon and it damn right deserves to be, since it tears through teams and every set is almost equally effective. However, both Torterra and Empoleon are excelent choices for competitive battling, but both are not nearly as overused as Infernape. in fact, they are severly underrated, but I don't think anyway refers to them as "duds"

I tried. I really did, but your descriptions are flawed ;/
 
Aviano said:
1st Gen

Competitive - ???
Avergae - ???
Dud - ???

See, I get problems here already. Charizard is hardly a battle master, but it's overhyped alot. Venusaur is a beast to take down, but it's alot less populair , and not overused at all. Blastoise just plain sucks, but has ALOT of fans, who hardly consider it a dud

2nd Gen

Competitive - Typlosion
Average - Feraligatr
Dud - Meganium

This one is easy. Ever since Typhlosion got eruption, it's been like a 2nd Charizard. And to be honest, it is pretty good. Still, not as much of a competitive 'beast' as more standard sweepers, but by far the most common Johto starter. Feraligator is an okay Dragon Dancer, and a suberb Swords Dancer, but is generally overlooked and it's not exactly top OU. Meganium sucks, and everybody knows it.

Don't know why really, just seems right.

3rd Gen

Competitive - Swampert
Average - Sceptile
Dud - ???

Blaziken? a Dud? Well no, not really, but it's definatly the worst one in Competitive play. To call it a dud is hardly accurate howeverm seeing as it, like many other fire starters, has a huge fanbase. Swampert, on the other hand, is not populair, but it's overused as hell and praised for it's competitive excelency. And Sceptile, what can I say, it's, but Swampert is much better at what it does.

4th Gen

Competitive - Infernape
Average - ???
Dud - ???

Infernape is an overhyped, overused Pokemon and it damn right deserves to be, since it tears through teams and every set is almost equally effective. However, both Torterra and Empoleon are excelent choices for competitive battling, but both are not nearly as overused as Infernape. in fact, they are severly underrated, but I don't think anyway refers to them as "duds"

I tried. I really did, but your descriptions are flawed ;/
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Lol I guess I was trying to describe the basic *overused/underhyped; underused/overhyped; just plain forgotten* if thats a better description for you. Take the 4th gen for example:
Infernape: competitive beast as you said, overused and hyped, but for a reason, yet it doesn't have much of a fanbase and people don't get very excited about it for anything other than competitive reasons (You know thats true...)
Torterra: competitively sound but not nearly so much as Infernape, with a lot of unique abilities, but overall very niche, and has a big fanbase... fits the generic "cool/badass-looking" starter position filled arguably by Charizard/Feraligatr/Blaziken in past gens:
Empoleon: Also unique and certainly not a bad pokemon by any means, but somehow "forgotten"... although to an extent Empoleon and Torterra both are living in Infernapes shadow; imho they are both almost as good at their respective roles, from an objective competitive point of view. Its ironic, as I thought before the games came out that Empoleon was going to grossly overshadow the other two simply because it was a starter with a Steel typing...

Thats more like what I was talking about.

But I like your analyses of them, I agreed with most of them. Except in the 3rd gen... Sceptile rapes Swampert one-on-one and competitively, in my opinion at least.
 
Sphyxius said:
Lol I guess I was trying to describe the basic *overused/underhyped; underused/overhyped; just plain forgotten* if thats a better description for you. Take the 4th gen for example:
Infernape: competitive beast as you said, overused and hyped, but for a reason, yet it doesn't have much of a fanbase and people don't get very excited about it for anything other than competitive reasons (You know thats true...)
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It's only fanbase is either that or Pontya if you need a fire type. :/
But I like your analyses of them, I agreed with most of them. Except in the 3rd gen... Sceptile rapes Swampert one-on-one and competitively, in my opinion at least.
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Swampert's better overall in battle IMO since it's pretty durable.
 
1st gen

Competitve- Charizard
Average-Blastoise
Dud-Venusaur

Competitive- Feraligatr
Average- Typhlosion
Dud- Meganium

Competitive- Blaziken, Swampert, Sceptile

Competitive- Torterra, Infernape
Average- Empoleon
 
Chariking said:
1st gen

Competitve- Charizard
Average-Blastoise
Dud-Venusaur

Competitive- Feraligatr
Average- Typhlosion
Dud- Meganium

Competitive- Blaziken, Swampert, Sceptile

Competitive- Torterra, Infernape
Average- Empoleon
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What the hell are you talking about, you moron. ;\
 
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