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Worst Types

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Well, I was gonna post this in a thread about Fire types in the GPD before it got closed, and I don't want all my typing to go to waste.

Fire really isn't that great... It's weak to Water, Rock, and Ground, which are three of the most common attack types. Every Water Pokemon is going to have Surf or Waterfall, and there about about three times as many good Water types as there are Fire types. Stone Edge is the new Earthquake, and Earthquake is still awesome. Then there's Stealth Rocks, which need no explanation anymore.

Yeah, Fire is super effective against Ice, Bug, Steel, and Grass. Big deal. Think about this:

Ice is also weak to Rock, Fighting, and Steel. Stone Edge and Fighting moves are extremely common and much more useful than randomly sticking Fire Blast on something. Steel is generally a sucky attack type too, but really the only time people use Steel moves are with Metagross and Meteor Mash, which is really strong.

Bug is also weak against Flying and Rock. Again, Rock beats out Fire. Besides Scizor and Forretress, the only time I can think of that Fire would be better would be against Heracross, but even Flying beats that. The other most common Bug type is probably Yanmega, which is x4 weak to Rock.

Steel is weak to Fighting and Ground. Again, two really common attack types that are better than using Fire. The only times I can think of that Fire would be better would be against Skarmory, Scizor, and Forretress. I usually just use Thunderbolt or something against Skarmory, but Fire is just as good. Scizor and Forretress actually make using Fire a good thing, I'll give them that.

Grass is also weak to Ice, Flying, and Bug. There are more things out there with Ice Beam than there are good Fire types, so that pretty much settles that. Heracross, Scizor, and Yanmega all pack powerful Bug moves as well. The only good Grass types I can think of are Sceptile and Exeggutor, and Eggy is x4 weak to Bug anyway.

I'm not saying that Fire type Pokemon are bad, even though Infernape and Heatran are really the only ~good ones (which says a lot about generations 1, 2, and 3). Infernape and Heatran are awesome, but both of them are dual-types (Fighting and Steel, coincidentally). Other Fire types are lacking... At best...

Poison is another type that's pretty bad offensively, but it resists itself, Grass, Steel, and Bug, iirc. That's not so shabby. Poison type Pokemon are awesome, though. Gengar and Weezing? You can't argue with those. :P

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Anyway, what do you think the worst types are?
 
Normal and Bug. This is kinda obvious.

Normal because most of the worst Pokemon like Bidoof are normal.
Bug because they have weak stats, and there hasn't been a bug legendary (not counting Arceus with the Bug Plate).
 
One time I came up with a system to rank the types. I'd assign values to each type based on the number of types they were supereffective against, the number of types they were resistant to, the number of types they had as weaknesses, and the number of types that were resistant to them. I ranked them individually and assigned them numbers based on those findings, then added them up (the lower the score total, the better overall the type).
My results?
Ice, Bug, Poison, and Grass are the worst types.
Fire, Dragon, Fighting, and (IIRC) Ground are among the best.
 
I did some calculations. This is what I came up with:

Steel – 8
Ground – 2
Fly – 2
Dragon – 2
Fire – 2
Water – 2
Dark – 1
Fighting – 0
Ghost – 0
Bug – (-1)
Rock – (-1)
Electric – (-1)
Ice – (-1)
Normal – (-3)
Psychic – (-3)
Poison – (-5)
Grass – (-5)

It looks rather accurate, but in my opinion, Normal and Psychic would be a little higher up. Poison is a poor type overall, since it's one of three types that will never be x4 effective against any type combination by current standards, the other two being Dragon and Normal. Grass has five weaknesses and seven types resist it, so it's rather poor overall. Ice type attacks are great, but Ice-type Pokemon only resist Ice itself. Steel is only supereffective against two types, but because of it's resistances, it often finds it's way onto people's teams, which means that most people have to formulate a strategy that can take out any potential steel types.

It's all rather complicated, but Ice, Fighting and Ground are the most commonly used offensive types, as nothing resists any combination of the three, with fighting being supereffective against five types (the most of any type).
 
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Raichu_is_awesome said:
Normal and Bug. This is kinda obvious.

Normal because most of the worst Pokemon like Bidoof are normal.
Bug because they have weak stats, and there hasn't been a bug legendary (not counting Arceus with the Bug Plate).
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Just because normal has some bad pokemon doesn't make it bad... it has good ones like Snorlax and Tauros for example, and bug types don't have bad stats.

Heracross and Scizor are actually two of the best Pokemon and I guess I could add Pinser in there too

By the way... for me rock is the worst type
 
Skaisdead said:
I did some calculations. This is what I came up with:

Steel – 8
Ground – 2
Fly – 2
Dragon – 2
Fire – 2
Water – 2
Dark – 1
Fighting – 0
Ghost – 0
Bug – (-1)
Rock – (-1)
Electric – (-1)
Ice – (-1)
Normal – (-3)
Psychic – (-3)
Poison – (-5)
Grass – (-5)

It looks rather accurate, but in my opinion, Normal and Psychic would be a little higher up. Poison is a poor type overall, since it's one of three types that will never be x4 effective against any type combination by current standards, the other two being Dragon and Normal. Grass has five weaknesses and seven types resist it, so it's rather poor overall. Ice type attacks are great, but Ice-type Pokemon only resist Ice itself. Steel is only supereffective against two types, but because of it's resistances, it often finds it's way onto people's teams, which means that most people have to formulate a strategy that can take out any potential steel types.

It's all rather complicated, but Ice, Fighting and Ground are the most commonly used offensive types, as nothing resists any combination of the three, with fighting being supereffective against five types (the most of any type).
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Props for doing the math, but if I'm counting correctly, Ground has 5 types it's good against as well. Fire, Electric, Rock, Steel, and Poison.
 
Raichu_is_awesome said:
Normal and Bug. This is kinda obvious.

Normal because most of the worst Pokemon like Bidoof are normal.
Bug because they have weak stats, and there hasn't been a bug legendary (not counting Arceus with the Bug Plate).
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Biaised opinion...

Normal actually is one of the best types in the game, since it's only weak to fighting, and it has immunity to ghost.
Usually, Normal-type Pokémon can also learn other type of moves.
 
Pingouin7 said:
Biaised opinion...

Normal actually is one of the best types in the game, since it's only weak to fighting, and it has immunity to ghost.
Usually, Normal-type Pokémon can also learn other type of moves.
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Strongly seconded. Plain Normal type pokemon tend to have really solid stats and often have extremely good movesets. They can also be some of the most annoying pokemon in the game to battle (blissey, for example).
Furthermore, there aren't many types that are resistant to normal either.
 
Veslfen said:
Strongly seconded. Plain Normal type pokemon tend to have really solid stats and often have extremely good movesets. They can also be some of the most annoying pokemon in the game to battle (blissey, for example).
Furthermore, there aren't many types that are resistant to normal either.
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Just Rock and Steel, and most Normal types can learn water, ground, or fighting attacks. Normal is a fairly solid type overall.
 
Poison doesn't resist Steel.

Skaisdead said:
since it's one of three types that will never be x4 effective against any type combination by current standards, the other two being Dragon and Normal.
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There isn't anything with a 4x Dark or Ghost weakness yet either.
 
Bug hasn't been weak to Poison since the first generation (Red/Blue/Yellow). They changed it for some stupid reason.
 
Yo Shee said:
Bug hasn't been weak to Poison since the first generation (Red/Blue/Yellow). They changed it for some stupid reason.
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Yes I just noticed that, so only Paras and Parasect have a 4x weakness to it in the first gen
 
Yo Shee said:
Bug hasn't been weak to Poison since the first generation (Red/Blue/Yellow). They changed it for some stupid reason.
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Yep. And Normal was weak to Rock instead of Fighting in 1st Gen, if memory serves.
 
I think that Rock or Ground also had immunity to Poison in the first gen. I swear, I was playing one of those games recently, and I kept using Poison Sting against Brock's pokemon, and it missed every single time. I must have used it at least 10 times, probably more.
 
Yo Shee said:
Bug hasn't been weak to Poison since the first generation (Red/Blue/Yellow). They changed it for some stupid reason.
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I'm also pretty sure they brought it back in FR and LG... because if I remember correctly, my Heracross kept getting owned by that stupid Arbok in the E4
 
And with Bug types, I really think they need a bug Legendary to kind of spearhead the powerful bugs, like Scizor, Forretress and Heracross, as well as Ninjask, Shedinja, Yanmega, Armaldo and Pinsir. Others here can be included here as well, each fulfilling some special niche.
 
well, every type has its advantage but to me i personally dont like bugs too much except scyther and scizor

and Infernape and Heatran are the only good ones??? you must be on somethin.... charizard is a beast, arcanine, houndoom, Blaziken, magmar and magmortar, flareon is good givin the right moves, i mean.. the list goes on, i actually dont like infernape because he DOESN'T learn flamethrower.. neither does rapidash, i just dont understand why. heatran is ok but i dont really mess with most legendaries except a few
 
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