Smogon says Clefable "He"!

[Trainer Yusuf]

Somethings need time and tries to improve.

Here, some answers to latest posts:
-Trick Room helps my slow team. Yes, my sweepers(mostly) don't like it, but it helps them and me to beat fast and overused things, and even Defenseless Ubers. It makes slow things faster to use Destiny Bond or Explosion
-Yes, I write teams again and again, to see what can fit me to use or how new things help me.
-I hate most of Rapid Spinners. I can't get some of them.
-Due to version and trade problems, my Weezing can't get Pain Split.

The things have changed from the first one:
-Gengar and Skarmory was added and taken.
-Gliscor was added and Taken
-Rampardos was added and replaced with Marowak
-Tangrowth was taken, Bronzong was put.
-Many fillers have been taken(Eeveelutions, Walrein, Charizard, Probopass)
-Weezing was added due to trade problems.
-I started to disgust Marowak, then put Mamoswine.
- Snorlax was taken out due to rarity.

Some things to say:
-I have Diamond version and I don't have old Pokemon versions.
-Slashes on Movesets means I don't know which one to use.
-I hate Mixed Sweepers.
-I think Parlyzing is better than Will-o-wisp, it stops opponent. Thunderbolt also hurts more and it usually doesn't have something that absorbs it(Except Limber, Motor Drive and Volt Absorb, which are beaten by Sludge Bomb or at least Destiny Bond or maybe Haze)
-Can somebody explain me how Haze works?
-Please, be polite when you rate it.
-Skarmory is beaten by Clefable and Raichu.
-Leftovers is extremely rare.

Bronzong@Macho Brace(I might get IVs on Speed)
252 HP/152 Atk/8 Def/96 Sp.Def
Relaxed/Levitate
Gyro Ball
Explosion
Trick Room
Hypnosis

exp:I became tired of Earthquake. Explosion is for quicker switch. Post here another possible Trick Room(not Slowpoke evolutions, I can't get them).

Raichu@Focus Sash
Timid
252 Sp.Atk./Speed
Thunderbolt
Hidden Power Ice
Nasty Plot
Grass Knot
exp:Nearly same Raichu in single Competitive rates thread. I like Raichu more. Hidden Power Ice is to beat the most used pokemon(you got it). Pikachu is stronger, but slower, and has some other weaknesses, like needing to use one item only.

or

Wobbuffet@Leftovers
252 Def/Sp.Def
Bold
Destiny Bond
Counter
Mirror Coat
Encore
exp:With this team, it will fell down anyway. It has the third highest HP, remember.

Clefable@Toixc Orb
Magic Guard/Sassy
252 HP / 152 Def / 104 SpD
Sing
Cosmic Power
Dream Eater/Moonlight/Wish
Facade

exp: Sing is more effective. Facade is more powerful with that item. Cosmic Power also boosts Defense. Dream Eater is not bad, but not too good.

exp:I can't get moves from old generations.

Dragonite@Life Orb
152 Speed/180 Atk/178 HP
Adamant
Fire Punch
Outrage
Dragon Dance
Earthquake

Do I have to tell again?

Lucario@Choice Specs
252 Sp. Atk/252 Speed/4 Def
Modest/Steadfast
Dragon Pulse
Vacuum Wave
Dark Pulse
Aura Sphere

Why Dragon Pulse?
It hits more types. Hidden Power Ice isn't sure to get.

Weezing@???
252 Def/HP
Bold
Sludge Bomb
Thunderbolt
Destiny Bond
Haze

exp:I can't get Pain Split. I can't get Black Sludge with that rarity. Rest/Sleep Talk is possible, but Destiny Bond is more beautiful.

NOTICE:I don't make a team centered on one thing or Pokemon.

General Explanation: Trick Room always help me at using less pokemon to counter more Pokemon. Trick Room helps these Pokemon:
-Weezing
-Bronzong
-Wobbuffet
-Clefable
-Sometimes Lucario
-Raichu
I may change EVs of Raichu, but not Lucario with that Nature, probably. At max, it will just have 279 speed. When dimensions return normal, unfortunately there is a bigger trouble for me if I'm not prepared. Thanks.

 

[phantom1113]

dude you can just bump old threads and edit the first posts you know...

 

[Hauntershadow92]

God, team needs changes:
Bronzong: Idc that you're tired of EQ. You have no need for Trick room. The only thing it is helping is Bronzong and Weezing, both who should not be sweeping anyway. Oh and Snorlax, but that is the same reason.
Next set of three Pokemon: Use Raichu. IIRC Raichu learns Grass Knot. Put it over Focus Punch, unless you take out NP for Sub.
Night: Fine
Luke: Dragon only hits Dragon SE, while HP [Ice] hits Ground/Flying/Dragon/Grass SE. HP [Ice] Please. If you are afraid of it being too slow, use Scarf.
Lax: Fine.
Weezing: Your Weezing is somewhat useless without a recovery move. Get a better P.Wall. Maybe Slowbro?

 

[Trainer Yusuf]

I can't get Slowbro. Since it lacks from a recovery move, it needs Destiny Bond. Trick is needed to beat fast things and it really helps my team. For others, Bronzong has Explosion for quicker switches. I'm not afraid of being slow and Power vs. Speed in Trick Room is an useless debate. I can do that for Raichu. The trio, they aren't decided or used to decide. Smogon says Weezing and Wobbuffet shouldn't use Destiny Bond due to thier speed, but with Trick Room...Can you understand now?

 

[The Shadow Trainer]

Im getting really tired of seeing the same team every time...
Take Raichu of those 3 and use it as Lead if you give it Focus Sash, if you dont use it as Lead give it Life Orb.

Bronzong still dont need Trick Room, replace it for EQ.

Fire Blast over Fire Punch, Fire Blast hits Skarmory and Forretress harder, even after DD.

Weezing, WoW over Destiny Bond.

 

[indianunit02]

if your gonna use a team with wobuffet have a decent support team to back him up. Wobuffet is good but useless by himself with out help from set up pokes, wish passers heal bell/aromatherapy support etc. If you can't do that then take wob out.

 

[Blazios]

You might want to make your mind up, instead of giving us 5 sets for Clefable to choose from.

Im getting really tired of seeing the same team every time...

QFT.

 

[Trainer Yusuf]

Well, Weezing usually have Pain Split, since I don't have it, it has Destiny Bond with Trick Room team. Read my explanation about Wobbuffet. Bronzong don't much need it, team, yes. I'm thinking about Clefable. Read my thought about Weezing at first part of first post.

 

[The Shadow Trainer]

Trick Room hurts (if you choose Raichu who i recommed cause Wobbuffet is Uber and will be one) the half of your team; Lucario, Dragonite and Raichu, and Weezing and Snorlax dont need Trick Room so replace Trick Room for EQ/Stealth Rock.

You miss 1 of the best moves from Weezing, WoW. So use it over Destiny Bond.

That's a weird reason for not using Pain Split on Weezing. The solluction for that problem is simple; train an new one. Pain Split is needed on Weezing espacilly in a team without Wish Support.

 

[Razor Shiftry]

is a shame you can't get softboiled on your Clefable. without it, you're MUCH more limited it what sets you can use with it as wish takes time to work and Moonlight can get crappyfied by weather often seen in OU. the best one out of the lot is the calm mind set which is dependable...and standard

the next set is a bit situationable and you get screwed with steels and Phazing and softbouiled owuld work better with the set rather that wish/moonlight for instant and more reliable heling (and has more PP than moonlight)

 

[Sir Lucario]

Whats the Point of using a putting Speed EVs in some of your pokes when you are running a Trick Room Team.

 

[Salavoir55]

A trick room team really needs more than one trick roomer to work effectively. Otherwise, forget about making a trick room team and make a normal team.

If you can't get Pain Split for Weezing you can always use Restalk for a recovery move. Weezing needs recovery.

Bronzong likes Wish support esepecially if it's your only Trick Roomer.

Team is Hidden Power [Ice]/Flamethrower/Close Combat Ape weak.

NOTICE:I don't make a team centered on one thing or Pokemon.

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http://www.serebiiforums.com/showpost.php?p=7381108&postcount=4

Don't stop reading until the end and pay special attention to the part about making a team around a central poke.

 

[Trainer Yusuf]

Hahaha, it is due to version problems. Since I don't thinking about many Leftovers due to rarity of Munchlax, help me. I have read the team building guide. To make it simple:
-The team centered around one Pokemon. That Pokemon faints...What should I do?
or
-All of my Trick Roomers have Fainted before they use it... What should I do?
To make it simplier for my team:
-Trick Room's effect fades, what should I do?
These situations are possible, rare but possible. I think I'm going to use Calm Mind or Toxic Orb set. I'm thinking.

 

[GREEN00]

I'd suggest either building a more dedicated Trick Room team or dropping Trick Room altogether.

 

[itsme]

Really would go with Shadow Ball over Sludge bomb for Weezing.

 

[Alzi]

Instead of explosion on Bronzong it should run reflect or light screen to help your team out. Also indianunit02 your sig is breaking the rules just a heads up.

 

[Trainer Yusuf]

Sludge Bomb is STAB move, please remember. I don't want Misdreavus, because I think Destiny Bond is better. It is like Kamikaze, but works when I can't beat foe. I don't like Slowpoke's evolutions much. I don't have much Trick Room. Without Trick Room, I have to use something else worser than Destiny Bond. Five-turns help and many Pokemon needs Trick Room is good. Although I don't want Explosion much, it is really needed for quicker switch. You can think sweepers as a Plan B or has one. I can change Raichu's and Lucario's natures or at least EVs. Help me about Clefable's moveset and Weezing's item. I won't do any trades, not anymore. Remember, Wobbuffet needs a Team centered around it. With Destiny Bond, it will still beat one foe. Answer my questions at first post please, please.

 

[Alzi]

Haze:

Say if the opponent uses Calm Mind. And you switch in and use haze, that calm mind that the opponent did goes away so it's like it never did a calm mind in the first place.

 

[Trainer Yusuf]

I know, what are it's other effects?

 

[Razor Shiftry]

go with the calm mind set with Clefable. its the only set which can work without the sinstant healing of softboiled and use wish in that set as Moon light gets screwed by weather and doesn't have as much PP.

the other sets are alot more...situational and require a team built around it to succeed or ALOT of luck.