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Firstly, I just want to establish that I'm a Caucasian living in America, but I'm not racist or prejudiced in any way, shape, or form against anyone for any reason. So I hate when my friends say they hate "Iraqi terrorist b*tches". But that's a stereotype. Not all Iraqis are terrorists, nor are all Saudis, etc. Doubt they could tell the difference between an Iraqi and a Saudi Arabian anyway, so there you are. Now, don't get me wrong. I'm not sticking up for them either. But I hate the people that were responsible for 9/11, and they should all rot in hell for the rest of eternity. But share your thoughts on this, pleas.
 
InfernapeIZCool said:
But I hate the people that were responsible for 9/11, and they should all rot in hell for the rest of eternity. But share your thoughts on this, pleas.
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they're most likely already dead... But since I'm not sure I believe in hell, I can't say they're burning in it.

And besides, was it so bad for them to fight for a cause they truly believe in?... Well it was extremely bad... But was it really that bad? Well tons of people died... But was it really... That... Bad?...
 
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they're most likely already dead... But since I'm not sure I believe in hell, I can't say they're burning in it.

And besides, was it so bad for them to fight for a cause they truly believe in?... Well it was extremely bad... But was it really that bad? Well tons of people died... But was it really... That... Bad?...
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Tons of people fight for things they believe in every single day. But they don't hijack planes full of innocent people and kill thousands.
 
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Tons of people fight for things they believe in every single day. But they don't hijack planes full of innocent people and kill thousands.
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I understand they hijacked the plane and killed thousands of innocent lives... That was absolutely horrendous!!

But... Was it truly in all honesty...

That bad?
 
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And besides, was it so bad for them to fight for a cause they truly believe in?...
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Related to this, the bombers that tried to blow up UK planes in 2006 stated that they will kill anyone who is not muslim. Basically, it's genocide. Hitler believed that Jews should die, and that was a horrific genocide. In the Rwandan genocide of 1994 nearly 1 million people were slaughtered, some even in churches, by their next door neighbours. Basically, this is what the bombers are trying to do. They SHOULD go to hell with Hitler.
 
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well honestly i believe that the terrorists are only fighting for something cause they were tricked into it by there leader promising them stuff they never get cause there dead but still would you kill thousands of people even if you don't know them well i should stop or i will keep going for hours on the subject
 
Dark Arceus said:
Related to this, the bombers that tried to blow up UK planes in 2006 stated that they will kill anyone who is not muslim. Basically, it's genocide. Hitler believed that Jews should die, and that was a horrific genocide. In the Rwandan genocide of 1994 over 1 million people were slaughtered, some even in churches, by their next door neighbours. Basically, this is what the bombers are trying to do. They SHOULD rot in hell with Hitler.
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I fully understand where you are coming from, and I do agree that they should burn in hell. But I honestly believe they should not burn in hell, they were doing what they were brain washed into thinking. But their sins should not be forgiven.

All in all, it was kind of bad, maybe not.

Do you understand what I'm saying?
 
Umbreon_13 said:
well honestly i believe that the terrorists are only fighting for something cause they were tricked into it by there leader promising them stuff they never get cause there dead but still would you kill thousands of people even if you don't know them well i should stop or i will keep going for hours on the subject
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Possibly the leaders were promising paradise after death.

Anyway, yes, it was bad of them, but, they certainly don't deserve to rot in hell for it, if rot in hell = eternal, severe punishment. Not even Hitler deserved that.
 
GentleArtillery said:
Possibly the leaders were promising paradise after death.

Anyway, yes, it was bad of them, but, they certainly don't deserve to rot in hell for it, if rot in hell = eternal, severe punishment. Not even Hitler deserved that.
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There we go!

I may or may not strongly agree or disagree with your statement!
 
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So it's genocide all over again. Wow. Honestly, if that's martyrdom, what's sin?
 
InfernapeIZCool said:
Now the debate's starting!
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So it's genocide all over again. Wow. Honestly, if that's martyrdom, what's sin?
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Nothing is sin. Sin is just based off your personal perceptions of the world, or the perceptions beaten into you by your parents, church, etc...

Who am I to say murder is, or is not a sin?

Would a Sociopath be in the wrong for murder, if he honestly perceives it as being ok?
 
No, because while it is mainly perception, there are established social/moral taboos that one must abide by.
 
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Anyway, yes, it was bad of them, but, they certainly don't deserve to rot in hell for it, if rot in hell = eternal, severe punishment. Not even Hitler deserved that.
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And why not? If we believe that Heaven is a reward, that it is eternal paradise for holding "Good" ideals. Then why should they be allowed in if they do not believe those ideals? If they believe that one person is not equal to another becuase of their race or religion or sex or anything else and thus they should be punished for that. Why should those thoughts be rewarded?
 
InfernapeIZCool said:
No, because while it is mainly perception, there are established social/moral taboos that one must abide by.
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even if they are established rules, that does not make them the absolute truth. Morales are an illusion established from the mind. And, I only choose to follow them because my own mind tells me to.

But if someone does not have a mind to tell them no, then the established rules and regulations will not apply to them.

Just because North Koreas is ran the way it it, does not make it wrong. Even though with our sense of morales, we may perceive it that way.

If there was a culture brought up based on murder and back stabbing, who would we be to judge them for it?
 
Hm, fair point. What country is said sociopath from?
 
Dark Arceus said:
In the Rwandan genocide of 1994 over 1 million people were slaughtered, some even in churches, by their next door neighbours.
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Actually, it was between 800,000 and 1 million.

On topic, they do these things because they believe (apparently) that they go to martyr's heaven and are serviced by 72 virgins. They don't all do it for same ideals, though. Some do it because they hate all non-Muslims and some do it because they don't like the West's interference in the East. The latter seems more righteous, but if they don't like the West interfering, they should stage protests and hold talks with the UN and so on rather than blowing things up.
 
No kidding. Just because the American government acted like assholes, doesn't mean they have to sink to its standards.
 
InfernapeIZCool said:
Hm, fair point. What country is said sociopath from?
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Nothing in particular. My ideas and theories are completely hypothetical, and may or may not actually apply to the true inner workings of the world. To be honest, I don't even know if I actually believe anything I'm saying.

Look at what is written in my signature ;(
 
/Exiled/ said:
even if they are established rules, that does not make them the absolute truth. Morales are an illusion established from the mind. And, I only choose to follow them because my own mind tells me to.

But if someone does not have a mind to tell them no, then the established rules and regulations will not apply to them.

Just because North Koreas is ran the way it it, does not make it wrong. Even though with our sense of morales, we may perceive it that way.

If there was a culture brought up based on murder and back stabbing, who would we be to judge them for it?
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You are basically bringing up the belief of Moral Relativism, which while certainly is a valid belief. It is also something I would utterly disagree with. Human beings have evolved to the point that we understand that some morals are universal, that they apply to all human beings.

You used North Korea as a example, we see there the utter torture of their people, the denial of many basic rights, and the starving of thousands if not millions. As human beings, we should see that as wrong, not just becuase of our morals, but becuase they go against the fundemental human rights that human beings should have.
 
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