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Awards?

Should we have fanfiction awards?

  • Yes, definitely. They're fun and liven up the fanfic forum.

    Votes: 41 74.5%
  • No. They're stupid popularity contests and will always be.

    Votes: 10 18.2%
  • I don't care.

    Votes: 4 7.3%

  • Total voters
    55

Dragonfree

Just me
Hello, everybody.

I was just wondering how people generally feel about the idea of fanfiction awards. Should we do more of them for the fun of it, with some attempts to make the system fair and not too much of a popularity contest? Or are they better off done with, dead and buried?

I've seen forums where they work out, but here the awards have tended just to turn into feasts of grumbling, whining and drama... can that be fixed?

All opinions welcome.
 
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Meh, I personally think their a great idea but as you have mentioned, sometimes it ends up turning to a popularity contest which makes huge sense. Why? Well, if the fics and authors are popular, it has to be good right?
 
Well, The awards are generally fun, and a good way to determine who's fics are truely worth the time to read. Group participation's always a plus.

But they shouldn't be taken too seriously or anything, it isn't like you'll be getting something tangeable out of it. Only the satisfaction of doing a good job.
 
This is a very... dangerous thing.

I mean, people who win would love it, but not everyone wins. Me? If I thought I had a chance, then yea, I guess I'd love them, but I doubt it, so no. It'd save me from more disappointment. I know I'm not the only one, everyone is wary of these awards, and it makes sense.

They glorify the already glorified, and it just doesn't feel like it's accomplishing anything else than congradulating someone for having a story with readers.

To further explain, many authors may feel jealous or intimidated by other authors, and have worked hard on their work. Not to sound like I have an ego of any kind here, but I find these awards to be a bit depressing, much the way I thought about the last awards.
 
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Popular vote awards always lead to popularity contests, as the name might suggest, so unless you planned to change it into some sort of more contest-like evaluation by a panel of judges with little to no audience participation, that's the way it's gonna be. So as far as the awards go in merit, I think they're pretty useless.

Then again, it's pretty funny to watch all of the snarling and so forth that goes with them. I don't really care one way or another, so I'll put "whatever." I'd advise against it if you're not much amused by the fighting and so forth that takes place around them/actually expect an accurate evaluation of literary merit, though.
 
Well, the idea would be to limit the system so that some lesser-known authors are bound to be recognized - strictly limiting the number of nominations that one author and one fic can get, for instance, which would seriously hinder the more "popular" people from utterly dominating the awards by winning literally everything as has sometimes happened *ahem*.

Awards can be of use to readers - it was the last fanfic awards that prompted me to read The Ties That Bind, for instance, and that's one of the best fics I've read. *shrugs* They are inaccurate, yes - unless we actually put together a panel of judges and made them read all the nominated fics, and I'm not sure a lot of people would be ready to do that - but in the end, they can help you stumble upon good stuff.
 
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You can let more under-known people in, but the populars will still get the lion's share of the votes. IMO. And if people really do like an author, should they be restricted from voting for them just because they're too well-liked? Are lesser-known fanfictions somehow better for their lack of popularity?

You edit your post, I edit mine :P
Awards can be of use to readers - it was the last fanfic awards that prompted me to read The Ties That Bind, for instance, and that's one of the best fics I've read. *shrugs* They are inaccurate, yes - unless we actually put together a panel of judges and made them read all the nominated fics, and I'm not sure a lot of people would be ready to do that - but in the end, they can help you stumble upon good stuff.
Sure, I won't deny that. It's just that a lot of people take them far too seriously and seem to think that their judgments are credible and highly discerning--i.e. this 'fic won, therefore it must be the best, whereas this 'fic didn't, so it cannot be as good. Thus all the hurt feelings and such when someone's 'fic doesn't get picked and jealousy of people who generally swept awards, supposedly because they're more "popular" 'fic- or author-wise (well, yes, duh) and think that the awards are meant to select only the truly best 'fics in the forum and not merely provide a collection of those highly esteemed by members of the forum, regardless of actual quality.
 
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I actually found the last awards to be quite a bit better than the last, and thought we had a pretty diverse range of winners. But yes, limiting can be good and abad at the same time. Personally though, I think nominating whoever you want -- as there's never been a limit really, just make people have common sense -- is fine, as then even the lesser people can be nominated alongside the more well known. It's the voting part that tends to be difficult - last time it was limited, I think. XD Dunno, it's been awhile.

And the "If you story has won this award before, so you can't win again" has also been rather helpful.

I think awards can be fun if handled correctly.
 
Oh, no, definitely not. I don't believe in restricting people's ability to vote for their favorite fics, whether the favorite fics happen to be popular or not. However, diversity in the nominated fics can be great. I know from experience that when you're too popular you end up thinking about most of your awards, "Who in their right mind nominated me for that?" I was toying with the idea of allowing the author him/herself to choose, after the nomination process, which (if any) nominations to actually run for for the voting, with a certain maximum for diversity.
 
I agree with Saffire. I quite liked the last awards, but there was the popularity arguments... I dunno.

On the other hand, the panel of judges sound like a nice way of going about it, but I won't envy the people judging. XD
 
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.. eh.. a panel of people judging would be iffy, to me. o.o' As then it's just the judges voted for what they think to be best.. which might be different -- and will - for each individual voter.

"Who in their right mind nominated me for that?" I was toying with the idea of allowing the author him/herself to choose, after the nomination process, which (if any) nominations to actually run for for the voting, with a certain maximum for diversity.

I actually like that idea.. of course, people could turn down nominations before, but it'd be nice to have that in writing.
 
I was toying with the idea of allowing the author him/herself to choose, after the nomination process, which (if any) nominations to actually run for for the voting, with a certain maximum for diversity.
What, you wouldn't honestly force somebody to participate if they didn't want to, would you?

"I nominate X for award X!"

"Umm, I don't really think I deserve that award/have some other reason for not wanting to participate."

"NO I NOMINATED YOU YOU'RE RUNNING!! RAAAGH!!!"

0_o

(Meaning, "Wasn't that already the rule?" A few notable individuals didn't deign to participate in the last awards, remember.)
 
I don't have a problem with awards, but there should really be some guidelines to make sure everyone of roughly equivalent talent has an equal chance of winning. If I were making fanfic awards, I'd do something a bit like this:

1. To help weed out fics that have gained a heck of a lot of attention already, I'd put a "cap" on the date when the fic was finished/last updated - for example, while the fic could have been started anytime (to be fair to people like me who write slower than a turtle on Valium), it would have to have been finished or last updated in, say, the year 2006 (and not counting rewrites and revisions of things written prior to 2006), effectively pulling the plug on the endless nominations of stuff like Acey's Pokemon MASTER, which was finished years ago and is STILL talked about in gushing tones.

2. One shots, in progress fics, and finished chaptered stories should have separate categories. Among these separate categories, much like there is for dog shows, there would be certain "classes" - for example, a category in each main heading (One-Shot, In Progress, Finished Chapter Stories) just for things like Original Trainers, Pokemon POVs, Romance/Shipping, Pokemorphs and Shapeshifters, Action, Fantasy, and perhaps for fics that don't fit these common genres but are set in certain canons, such as Mystery Dungeon or Pokemon Special. The winners of these "Best in genre" categories could then move on to be judged against each other in a "Best One-Shot of 2006," or whatever. :)

3. To keep it from being a popularity contest, the position of winners would be determined by judges that can be assumed to be impartial. For example, while I write and read a lot of Pokemorph fiction, and it's what I am mainly known for, I do not write, or usually read, Original Trainers. Because I am pretty much impartial towards OT fic, I would not be familiar with most of the authors, and would be able to judge less on the author's popularity and more on if I feel the writing, characters and plot are any good. If finding impartial judges seems like an impossible task and people would rather stick to taking a vote, there could be "weighted votes" - say, a vote for an exceedingly popular author could be be worth only half of what a vote for an author who doesn't have a rabid fanbase nominating them left and right is. Though that second option could be seen as a bit unfair, as some authors are popular because they really are good and really do deserve it.

4. If weighted votes seemed too unfair, or impartial judges seemed too impractical, perhaps an award could be made exclusively for authors who do not have a lot of publicity (with perhaps another award open to everybody). Fics which would be exceedingly well known to just about anyone who browses here or the Pit of Voles (Fanfiction.net) with any regularity would be strictly banned from nomination for this particular award, leaving it open only to us lesser known folk who would never hope to win anything otherwise ^_^'
 
.. eh.. a panel of people judging would be iffy, to me. o.o' As then it's just the judges voted for what they think to be best.. which might be different -- and will - for each individual voter.

Yeah, but I'm sure these irregularities will balance out if we have a good 7 judges or so. I also like the idea of a judges idea, not because of the popularity issue, but because that's how most of the real awards are done and such. And I definetely know that there are plenty of mature reviewers who would be able to remain neuteral that would make great judges (Sike Saner, Tezza, Negrek) and their varying tastes would be combined. I personally also think they should discuss there choices a bit like a jury deliberation (though not as long) so that they can come to choices together (though unanimity [sp?] is a long shot) rather than just a simple majority.

And really, the 00ber-whiny people in the awards are quite a minority. Personally, I would take care of them by permanent banning. I've always found the awards to liven up the fanfiction section. I didn't like the last ones too much because it was done RIGHT AFTER the previous one (if there done constantly, they'll lose their speciality imo) and was run by a two week old member who felt the horror genre in pokemon should be eradicated.


So yeah, I think new awards would be a great idea, and I suggest a member nomination/panel voting. If it was me, I'd do a two month awards, three weeks nomination, five weeks voting. And wasn't Byzantium supposed to do the next awards?


EDIT: We could also do two results: Popular and Panel
 
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My ideal contest would go like this:

1. Authors could submit anything they've posted to be entered in the awards.

2. After a certain period of time, links to all the stories would be posted in one thread. Along with twenty categories.

3. Any user who wants to can nominate any fic for any category, but each user can only nominate a certain fic in five categories. A fic needs two nominations in a certain category to become an actual nominee.

4. After there are at least four candidates in each category, the nominations are closed and the judging begins.

5. A team of thirty judges goes to work on the final decisions. Each judge is assigned to two different categories, and each of those categories has a team of three working on it. Each judge must read all of the nominees and then cast two votes, one for two points and the other for one.

6. The points in each category are tallied up and whichever nominee has the most wins. If it is a two way tie, then the judges vote between the two remaining nominees, and whichever one receives two votes wins. If there is a three way tie, then each judge must cast their two votes again, this time between the three remaining nominees. If, by some weird coincidence, it is still a three-way tie, then a fourth judge is brought in to make the decision.

7. If, for any reason, two of the judges in a group decide they should vote again, they must.

8. After the winners are determined, they are compiled into a tentative list. All of the judges can then look over the results. If there are any obvious problems, like one fic winning half the awards, then a vote is taken. If two-thirds of the judges agree that there is a problem, then all judges are responsible for reading the fics in that category and voting on the winner. This is considered a last resort.

9. Finally, the winners are confirmed and the results announced.

10. Anyone who whines is kindly invited to come up with something better or never participate again.

Of course, that's just off the top of my head, and probably wouldn't work perfectly, but I'd love any contest that decided like that. :)
 
I was hoping I'd be able to host (if thats the right words) the awards like I did a while back. I think the idea of useing judges would be a pretty good idea; though the judges would have to be pretty devoted to doing all the reading

A limited number of nombinations would prolly be pretty good. Though I don't think we should do them to soon, because, the awards are really time consuming to the person who runs them and obviously for the judges.

Though, it just occured to me that I wouldn't really be able to do them until Spring or Summer, it'd prolly be best if someone do it this Winter.

It'd prolly be best to do it about now, actually, that way they wouldn't drag on until Spring like the PokéOscars did about two years ago. (Though those started in Janurary).

Hmmm... Then after that one, it be best not to do them till Late Summer (which I'd really like to do)
 
What, you wouldn't honestly force somebody to participate if they didn't want to, would you?

"I nominate X for award X!"

"Umm, I don't really think I deserve that award/have some other reason for not wanting to participate."

"NO I NOMINATED YOU YOU'RE RUNNING!! RAAAGH!!!"

0_o

(Meaning, "Wasn't that already the rule?" A few notable individuals didn't deign to participate in the last awards, remember.)
Heh, it's just the difference between allowing something and affirming it as a part of the process itself. That and having a maximum.

I could host these awards if people agree on them since Flaming Lip can't do them now anyway...
 
Hmm. We're having awards, from the looks of the poll results, so we might as well begin asking ourselves some important questions.

I'd very much like to make the categorization in these awards as perfect as it can be, so I made a draft. I drew some inspiration from TPM's awards in this, as well as something of what I remember of previous awards here, and a couple of my own ideals. All suggestions for improvements very much welcome.


Overall Fiction Awards
- Best Pokémon Fic Overall
- Best Non-Pokémon Fic Overall

Other Fic Awards
- Most Original Story Overall
- Best Plot
- Best Writing Style
- Best Setting

Length-Specific
- Best One-Shot
- Best New Chaptered Fic
- Best Established Chaptered Fic

Pokémon Genre Awards
- Best Trainer Fic
- Best Pokémon-Centric
- Best Other

Non-Pokémon Genre Awards
(I don't know how well these would work out in general - I don't like the idea of categories that would include only a couple of fics in the forums, so I'd need some help from people who know more about the Non-Pokémon sector...)

Emotion Awards
- Funniest Fic
- Scariest Fic
- Saddest Fic
- Most Heartwarming Fic

Character Awards
- Best Human Main Character
- Best Non-Human Main Character
- Best Human Side Character
- Best Non-Human Side Character
- Best Villain
- Best Single-Appearance Character (I really like the idea of an award like this for some reason - come on, we've all read fics with these awesome characters who only appeared in a single one-shot or chapter but managed to engrave themselves in our memories forever anyway.)
- Best Original Species (Fake Pokémon or non-Pokémon species...)

Fic Moment Awards
- Funniest Scene
- Scariest Scene
- Saddest Scene
- Most Heartwarming Scene
- Best Action Scene
- Best Cliffhanger
- Best Plot Twist
- Most Original Single Concept
- Best Quote

Author Awards
- Best Established Writer
- Best Newcomer
- Most Dedicated Writer

I know there are a lot of improvements to be made, but I need suggestions.
 
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