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Bronzong @ Lum Berry
Sassy
252 HP / ???

HP Ice
Charge Beam
Gyro Ball
Grass Knot


Counters a great deal of leads. Sleep leads get it in the ***, and unless i'm mistaken Jolteon subs are broken by Gyro Ball in one shot. I don't know about the EVs. I'd like to 2HKO Gyarados, but I probably do that with a SA boost anyway. 2HKOing Garchomp would be cool too, but I also would rather be bulky. I think i'll focus on SD, with some left in Defense for Garchomps and Gyarados.


Heatran @ Leftovers
Modest
252 HP / 220 Special Defense / 38 Special Attack

Lava Plume
Rest
Sleep Talk
Metal Sound

Wall killer. Dugtrio does a good job of *******ing this, but what doesn't he ******* now a days. Metal Sound needs to get Blissey to -6 before Lava Plume does any real damage, but she won't kill me without HP Ground regardless. Cresselia doesn't have a chance, unless she has... HP Ground for some reason. Skarmory dies miserably too. I'm open to other EV sets, but give reasons why.


Tentacruel @ Choice Scarf
Calm
252 HP / 188 Special Defense / 70 Speed

Surf
Ice Beam
Rapid Spin
Toxic Spikes

Eh, not like I haven't put this in a RMT before. Infernape counter, and good surprise killer. If they switch Garchomp away from Tenta i'll just get him on the Outrage. Rapid Spins, sets up and eats Toxic Spikes, etc...


Zapdos @ Leftovers
Bold
252 HP / 220 Defense / 36 Speed

Thunderbolt
Toxic
Substitute
Roost

I threw this set together when I was testing out random pokes. I never made any changes to it since it did such an amazing job of stalling out entire teams. A wall breaker, even Blissey is forced out without Aromatherapy. Counters SD Lucario.


Swampert @ Leftovers
Relaxed
240 HP / 212 Defense / 56 Special Attack

Stealth Rock
Roar
Ice Beam
Earthquake

I don't care about Skarmory and Weezing walling me. Heatran rapes them both, or they give Zapdos a chance to get a sub up. Sets up Stealth Rocks, Roars Ninjasks... Tyranitar leads are temporarily ruined because of Mawile's intimidate, so this makes a safe switch against them since intimidated Choice Band Tyranitar's Earthqauke is a 5HKO on Swampert.


Celebi @ Leftovers
Bold
252 HP / 220 Defense / 36 Speed

Grass Knot
Psychic
Heal Bell / Thunder Wave.
Recover

If Bronzong fails against a Gyarados lead, Celebi can likely finish it off. I'm tired of writing. Competent team raters should know what this does, so i'm done writing.

MAYBE Thunder Wave over Heal Bell. Not caring about random freezes is nice, and Thunder Wave might mess up Zapdos's Toxic. On the other hand, Thunder Wave ruins Assaultydos and Weavile. It also screws up scarf Heatran. So its a good choice.
 
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magnemiteZ said:
So I hear 252/252 sets are so much better than good EVs!
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Wow that was helpful!

Mawile needs 252 / 252. Its more efficient then the 252 HP / 80 A / 176 D Shuca Berry set, since Choice Band already boosts his attack higher.

I have no idea about Heatrans EVs.

Tentacruel does not run 252 / 252

Zapdos is a special wall not named Blissey, thus needs as much SD as it can get to survive against Gengars and possibly Azelf. Not to mention 252 / 252 lets it sub up even against Blissey Ice Beams.

Swampert does not use Hydro Pump to get Skarmory and Weezing, and can not OHKO Garchomp without significant EV investment. I'd rather just have it as bulky as possible.

Same for Celebi. Milotic Ice Beams are a 3HKO without any SD EVs, and I want all the defense I can get for fighting Brelooms, Garchomps and Gyarados.
 
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[img139]http://pokedream.com/pokerep/images/sugimori/473.jpg[/img139]@CB says hi, maybe reststalk with swampert.

If they switch Garchomp away from Tenta.
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Why? Ice beam with those evs will not ohko chomp and you can't switch that thing into him at all.
 
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Hunter_RuLe said:
[img139]http://pokedream.com/pokerep/images/sugimori/473.jpg[/img139]@CB says hi, maybe reststalk with swampert.

Choice Band loses to prediction, but Life Orb is a problem. As much as I love Mawile, maybe a Bronzong lead with HP Ice / Charge Beam instead. Gyro Ball and maybe Hypnosis for the other moves?

Why? Ice beam with those evs will not ohko chomp and you can't switch that thing into him at all.

Revenge kill. Swampert usually gets a hit in, and Mawile can also get it with either Ice Punch during an Outrage or Sucker Punch do do *something*. Put it in KO range for Tentacruel at least.
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Damn you to hell 10charlimit
 
You cannnot just say "Choice Band loses to prediction." That does not mean you can beat it, because everyone mispredicts. Also, why do you only use 252/252/4? Even I use some sort of effective EVs.
 
Aldred FellBlade said:
You cannnot just say "Choice Band loses to prediction." That does not mean you can beat it, because everyone mispredicts. Also, why do you only use 252/252/4? Even I use some sort of effective EVs.
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Regardless, Bronzong with HP Ice / Charge Beam / Gyro Ball / Hypnosis would stop that weakness. Right?

I use 252 / 252 because... I'm not good at creating EV spreads. None of my pokemon are particularly fast, and they want all the bulk they can get.

As I said, i'm not good at making spread so i'll take suggestions on alternatives.
 
Ahahaha I was wondering what was up with that Mr Nude guy... why were you banned (again)?

Anyways, Heatran needs 335 special attack to OHKO Skarmory with Lava Plume. Use a Modest nature with 36 special attack ev's to do this, and put the rest in sp. def and hp. I'm not sure with your direction on this set. Usually Resttalk and Metal Sound don't go well together since they allow only one move. Earth Power is almost essential for other Heatrans and for type coverage. Decide which one you want to can, then use HP if another slot is needed. It really doesn't matter what kind, I prefer Hp Grass but HP Ice and Hp Electric are also acceptable.

Idk but Mawile seems like dead weight to me, but you like him a lot so I'll drop it.

On both Celebi and Zapdos, you'll want to go 252 HP/220 Def/36 Spd with a Bold Nature. Zapdos really is better as a physical wall, he can take special hits decently already and needs the defense to counter SD Lucario. This ensures that you outspeed all Tyranitars as well as random others that try to outspeed tyranitar. Zapdos looks fine, but Metal Sound is also a nice choice on Zapdos if you decide to get rid of it on Heatran (also one I have come to love). Doing 65% to Blisseys with Thunderbolt as they watch you lower their HP is priceless.

Celebi should have Thunder Wave over Heal Bell to make sure that Gyarados doesn't end up getting past you. Besides, your team takes care of status with Celetran decently, so I don't think you need the extra immunity.

Swampert wants an ev spread of 240 HP/212 Def/56 Sp. Atk, the reason being that the Special attack ev's allow for an OHKO on Salamence.

Otherwise, your movesets seem fine. The main problem with this team is how slow it is- a max speed Weavile outspeeds all six (not that Weavile is that much of a problem). Scarf Heatran should also be considered for the extra speed. Really, I don't see the ******** that is CB Mamo weak, you take care of it fine with Swampert. CB Mamo, which is useless without Jolly, only 2HKO's Swampert with Earthquake like 5% of the time while if you used Hydro Pump (over Roar), it would OHKO. Regardless, you are free to use Bronzong if you wish.
 
Revenge kill.
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having to revenge kill =/= a way to stop a pokemon, unless you are using diglett/trapinch as a revenge killer
 
Blue_Harvest said:
Wow that was helpful!


Swampert does not use Hydro Pump to get Skarmory and Weezing, and can not OHKO Garchomp without significant EV investment. I'd rather just have it as bulky as possible.
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thats where avalanche comes since its alot slower then the dragons
 
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Kingdrom said:
Ahahaha I was wondering what was up with that Mr Nude guy... why were you banned (again)?

Ban evasion. The first time I was banned was because I told Jumpman16 to **** off after he called himself a cop, saying he was giving me a ticket because I was going "65 in a 30 MPH zone" after I made my location "The Smogon staff enjoys giving out infractions. They also eat puppies." He gave me three infraction points for the location thing, and a permanant ban for telling him to **** off.

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Anyways, Heatran needs 335 special attack to OHKO Skarmory with Lava Plume. Use a Modest nature with 36 special attack ev's to do this, and put the rest in sp. def and hp. I'm not sure with your direction on this set. Usually Resttalk and Metal Sound don't go well together since they allow only one move. Earth Power is almost essential for other Heatrans and for type coverage. Decide which one you want to can, then use HP if another slot is needed. It really doesn't matter what kind, I prefer Hp Grass but HP Ice and Hp Electric are also acceptable.

Those EVs are good. I'll use them.

But my reasoning behind only one attack is that when I first made this team I built it off of type diversity. Fire / Water / Electric / Ground / Grass / filler. I used Infernape as fire, but found my whole team had a Cresselia problem. I needed something to kill Skarmory, Blissey, Cresselia, and kill Toxic staller pokes that was also a fire type (to keep with the team's theme). Infernape wasn't bulky at all, and was basically wasted space until his counter died. Metal Sound / Rest Talk Heatran fit that role well. I have never had trouble with dragons switching in, as his main use is late game wall breaking. Or killing Celebi...

Idk but Mawile seems like dead weight to me, but you like him a lot so I'll drop it.

I love Mawile, but I only use him in casual games. Bronzong with HP Ice / Charge Beam / Gyro Ball / Rest could go over it. Lum Berry (for stopping sleep leads, not Rest awakening. Celebi would do that) Or Life Orb for an item, to hit Gyarados even harder, making Charge Beam a likely 2HKO. Or ever Occa Berry to mess with random Specs / Mixmence leads and give him more hope vs Garchomp.

On both Celebi and Zapdos, you'll want to go 252 HP/220 Def/36 Spd with a Bold Nature. Zapdos really is better as a physical wall, he can take special hits decently already and needs the defense to counter SD Lucario. This ensures that you outspeed all Tyranitars as well as random others that try to outspeed tyranitar. Zapdos looks fine, but Metal Sound is also a nice choice on Zapdos if you decide to get rid of it on Heatran (also one I have come to love). Doing 65% to Blisseys with Thunderbolt as they watch you lower their HP is priceless.

EVs for Celebi are fine. Same with Zapdos, but only if I use Bronzong over Mawile to counter Gengar. But changing Zapdos's moves is a no. I can't even begin to explain the absolute devastation this Zapdos has done. Most teams are unready for it, and just send in Blissey who gets Toxic stalled. Then in desperation, they swap pokes around trying to stop Zapdos from stalling their whole team.

Celebi should have Thunder Wave over Heal Bell to make sure that Gyarados doesn't end up getting past you. Besides, your team takes care of status with Celetran decently, so I don't think you need the extra immunity.

Very true.

Swampert wants an ev spread of 240 HP/212 Def/56 Sp. Atk, the reason being that the Special attack ev's allow for an OHKO on Salamence.

Thats fine. Thank you for giving an EV spread and actually giving a reason why.

Otherwise, your movesets seem fine. The main problem with this team is how slow it is- a max speed Weavile outspeeds all six (not that Weavile is that much of a problem). Scarf Heatran should also be considered for the extra speed. Really, I don't see the ******** that is CB Mamo weak, you take care of it fine with Swampert. CB Mamo, which is useless without Jolly, only 2HKO's Swampert with Earthquake like 5% of the time while if you used Hydro Pump (over Roar), it would OHKO. Regardless, you are free to use Bronzong if you wish.

I like the idea of Bronzong over Mawile. That would solve the Mamoswine thing.
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Thank you for the best RMT i've ever gotten on Serebii.
 
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