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Terror Attacks

The thing is, alot of people think of terrorists as middle-eastern, muslim extremists that blow themselves up in the middle of a supermarket or something. This is not the case. Years before 9/11 there was a terrorist group in Ireland, that is not as well publisised in places such as America as it should be, called the IRA. They campaigned for the joining of Northern Ireland (part of the UK) and the republic of Ireland (gained independance in the 20s), but rather than politcal protest through strikes and posters they bombed places and killed alot of people to get what they wanted. Luckily, they failed and we didn't give into it because, as was proved in a referendum if I recall, the people from Northern Ireland wanted to remain a part of the UK.

My point is that Terrorism isn't just "Them Islamics", there are MANY different forms of terrorism left today (unfortuantely) whether it be for religious or polical reasons which is what so many people seem to forget.
 
Cousin_Dan said:
The thing is, alot of people think of terrorists as middle-eastern, muslim extremists that blow themselves up in the middle of a supermarket or something. This is not the case. Years before 9/11 there was a terrorist group in Ireland, that is not as well publisised in places such as America as it should be, called the IRA. They campaigned for the joining of Northern Ireland (part of the UK) and the republic of Ireland (gained independance in the 20s), but rather than politcal protest through strikes and posters they bombed places and killed alot of people to get what they wanted. Luckily, they failed and we didn't give into it because, as was proved in a referendum if I recall, the people from Northern Ireland wanted to remain a part of the UK.

My point is that Terrorism isn't just "Them Islamics", there are MANY different forms of terrorism left today (unfortuantely) whether it be for religious or polical reasons which is what so many people seem to forget.
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Kate already addressed that argument. Saying "zoMg 300 hundred yeers agoh teh wer sum teRurists in teh CalTholic church" is splitting hairs. Likewise bringing up the IRA. Yes we are fully aware that there are terrorists of all stripes, that's not the point, we are obviously talking about terrorism in the context of how it currently applies to our lives. Which is mainly stemmed from Islamic fundamentalism no matter how you slice it.
 
I worked with a muslim from Egypt this past year.

Although it was evident that he was not an extremist, some of us were talking and Israel was brought up, at which point he piped up and said that the nation had no right to be there, and should be removed. We didn't directly get into terrorism, but it was quite disturbing nonetheless to hear this.

I know this is only one example, but I just thought I use this as an example to show that although it is the extremists who take these actions, many muslims across the spectrum have these views as well, despite not acting on them.
 
Babylon said:
Kate already addressed that argument. Saying "zoMg 300 hundred yeers agoh teh wer sum teRurists in teh CalTholic church" is splitting hairs. Likewise bringing up the IRA. Yes we are fully aware that there are terrorists of all stripes, that's not the point, we are obviously talking about terrorism in the context of how it currently applies to our lives. Which is mainly stemmed from Islamic fundamentalism no matter how you slice it.
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I know that people are talking about islamic fundamentalism in particular but just because Islamic fundamentalsm is the main thing that extends into our lives currently doesn't mean that it's the only thing that is to be talked about. My point was that although you know that there are many faces to terrorism others do not. That, the generalisation that all terrorists are muslim extremists is what annoys me. The IRA was brought up merely as an example.
 
However, the generalization that most terrorists in the middle east opposing the US's efforts are muslim extremists is valid.

Terrorism can be used in any field, Babylon's paying attention to our current war in Iraq, Afghanistan, etc, where his points are completely valid.
 
Cousin_Dan said:
I know that people are talking about islamic fundamentalism in particular but just because Islamic fundamentalsm is the main thing that extends into our lives currently doesn't mean that it's the only thing that is to be talked about. My point was that although you know that there are many faces to terrorism others do not. That, the generalisation that all terrorists are muslim extremists is what annoys me. The IRA was brought up merely as an example.
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Yes, what I'm saying is that the accossiation is not unjustified in today's world. Saying that people that accossiate are in some way ignorant isn't true. Now if they truly believe that all Muslims or terrorists are an overreaching stereotype like that, then yes, that would display a level of ignorance. Making accossiations is not. Hence why I vehemently disagree with chuboys idea that the people that make those connections are "insults" to nature, because they have a very valid reason to do so. Take your example about the IRA, that was 20 years ago. A lot of people simply weren't even born back then, so the only terrorism they've come to know and experience is the type that's mainly stemmed from Islamic fundamentalism. I think that both of us have clarified our points to a certian degree though. :P
 
The middle-eastern race has become evil in the eyes of America. 9/11 started as a normal day for anybody, but it soon turned to disaster. I never cry at ANYTHING, but when my school's intercom got the message around, I, along with several others burst into tears.

Anyway,I am THE most tolerant guy on Earth, and hate the death penalty, but there are many people I'd love to kill. Bin-Laden, Hitler, and Hussein all fall into that category.
My best friend's dad was killed in tower one, and my other friend and his uncle were on Flight 93.

To protect my country I will be a racist if need be. How many feel that way?
 
I don't think it would be considered racism.

And good news, for you, although its been known for some time: Hussein and Hitler are dead, you can mark them off the list, unless you mean another Hussein who's closer to home.

Its late, but my condolences to your friends and family.
 
Is it not justifiable to be a racist to vengeance those who died at 9/11.

Your logic:
9/11 Terrorist are Muslims
Terrorists are evil
Therefore, Muslims are evil
Let's spread racism.

Well, that's what i get for you atleast.

As a Muslim, i despise terrorist too. They kill innocent people for no reason whatsoever, and they make about half of the world perceive Muslims in a negative light...
And i do approve death sentence for them.
 
Rheine said:
Is it not justifiable to be a racist to vengeance those who died at 9/11.
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Well lets not instantly demonize the person. Yes racism is bad and all that, but when people experience a tragic loss or shock brought about by one group of people. That anger and shock manifests in hatred that is very hard to shake.

Those that were at Pearl Harbor or fought in WW2 had a intense hatred for the Japanese. Those that fought in Vietnam which was possibly the worst psychological modern war, had a intense hatred for the Vietnamese, some even to this day.

Blacks in the 50s and 60s that were a victim of terrorism by Whites grew to have a hatred for them.

Is it always the case? No. And people do out grow it. But it isn't utterly abnormal if people, especially children and teenagers directly affected by a tragedy brought about by a specific race, to gain a hatred for that race.

Try and keep that in mind before tearing the guy apart.
 
In building such hatred in people's brains (such as Hitler's Nazis hatred of Jews, and most people not from Germany), you get them to fight harder, for no apparent reason. The tactical advantage is great, as the people would theoretically not hold as much guilt if they had to kill others.
 
Conversely, people's aversion to Germans, because of Hitler (an Austrian) and his bull.

Still, it is a point that such racism usually has its base in an actual event, no matter how unbased it may be later. I mean, Japanese people now? Not so happy about Pearl harbor, and, from what I know, not hyper resentful of Our nukes in their two biggest cities.
 
This of it like this:
If you were 100% sure that the creator of EVERYTHING told you to go around killing people to cleanse the land, what would you do?

If you still say no, think about this.
What if you never heard of anything other than you having to kill everyone. Your schools were about murder tactics. Continuously told your life is only 1 and you gotta kill everyone you can.
 
BigLutz said:
Well lets not instantly demonize the person. Yes racism is bad and all that, but when people experience a tragic loss or shock brought about by one group of people. That anger and shock manifests in hatred that is very hard to shake.

*examples*

Try and keep that in mind before tearing the guy apart.
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Well, you're right. Sorry if I'm being too harsh or anything, but, if you could go through the trauma and hatred please reconsider things from the wider, unbiased perspective. That's all i want to say.

Nikacho said:
This of it like this:
If you were 100% sure that the creator of EVERYTHING told you to go around killing people to cleanse the land, what would you do?

If you still say no, think about this.
What if you never heard of anything other than you having to kill everyone. Your schools were about murder tactics. Continuously told your life is only 1 and you gotta kill everyone you can.
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Err...what? What point you tried to deliver?
 
Nikacho said:
*Facepalm*

I'm saying that terrorists are terrorists because of their religion! Must I spell it out?
R-E-L-I-G-I-O-N.
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But what does this have to do with religion:

What if you never heard of anything other than you having to kill everyone. Your schools were about murder tactics. Continuously told your life is only 1 and you gotta kill everyone you can.
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Even if that was taught with "God" in there somewhere, it could easily be removed and it'd have the same message.

And no religious person who wages war in the name of God is taught that their life is only one. They're taught that it'll be a benefit to them in the afterlife.
 
Nikacho said:
*Facepalm*

I'm saying that terrorists are terrorists because of their religion! Must I spell it out?
R-E-L-I-G-I-O-N.
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But what does this have to do with religion:

What if you never heard of anything other than you having to kill everyone. Your schools were about murder tactics. Continuously told your life is only 1 and you gotta kill everyone you can.
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Even if that was taught with "God" in there somewhere, it could easily be removed and it'd have the same message.

And no religious person who wages war in the name of God is taught that their life is only one. They're taught that it'll be a benefit to them in the afterlife.
 
Nikacho said:
*Facepalm*

I'm saying that terrorists are terrorists because of their religion! Must I spell it out?
R-E-L-I-G-I-O-N.
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Not all the time, granted Religion plays a major part in a majority of Islamic Terrorists. But you have poverty and family that also play a part. You can look at Terrorists as several different groups, two of which are like Religious Cults, and Gangs. Religious Cults because they brain wash people, and Gangs because they take in runaways and angry children ( As seen in Pakistan ), and will pay out money/take care of the families of those that kill themselves for the cause ( As seen in Palestine )
 
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Hate is a part of us all.

I agree, why don't we nuke the *******s? *sarcasm*

They hate us because we did something to make them hate us... Or because of there own ignorance. There is two ways to stopped this, back off and let them slowly learn on their own, or kill them all with mercy. Many innocents could die if by there hand if the first option is used...

But you have poverty and family that also play a part.
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Indeed... Their families get paid thousands of dollars...
 
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