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useless attacks

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joerachi

The Blazing Tempest
what is a useless attack.you chose. i will keep votes for moves you think is usless

splash/1
 
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With Baton Pass, you can pass the effects of the stat-raising moves to the incoming pokemon. ;)


Splash needs no mention since it owns this thread even without anyone saying it. But besides that...

--> Mud Sport and Water Sport. I mean, wtf.
--> Memento. I never got how stats were that valued to cost a whole life.

That's about it.
 
profpeanut said:
Excuse my ignorance, but can someone please tell me the value of Baton Pass?
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It is one of the best moves in the game.

Firstly, if allows you to switch after the Pokemon attacks you if you use it on something like a Brave Umbreon.

Secondly, it passes on stat changes. Smeargle can Dragon Dance, Cosmic Power and Tail Glow to max stats, and Baton Pass to something else. If he passes to a Sunkern, it would have quadrupled stats (except HP), so it'll actually have the same stats as an Arceus.

Ofcourse, in practice it is nowhere near as easy. A Smeargle cannot survive 15 turns to get all its stat-ups, the opponent will already have prepared itself for a BPer with moves like Roar, etc.
 
absorb. Pathetic damage and it doesn't heal you that much, unless it's SE.
 
profpeanut said:
Nope, sorry. It would help if you described how it's better than simply switching.
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Stat boosts remain active despite the switch with Baton Pass, where as normally, any stat changes would be nulled upon the pokemon swap.

And for me, I'd have to say either Super Sonic or Cut.

Super Sonic, while it might confuse, has just given me such a horrible time over accuracy that I don't even bother.
Cut, well...yeah.
 
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SHUCKLE MAN said:
It is one of the best moves in the game.

Firstly, if allows you to switch after the Pokemon attacks you if you use it on something like a Brave Umbreon.

Secondly, it passes on stat changes. Smeargle can Dragon Dance, Cosmic Power and Tail Glow to max stats, and Baton Pass to something else. If he passes to a Sunkern, it would have quadrupled stats (except HP), so it'll actually have the same stats as an Arceus.

Ofcourse, in practice it is nowhere near as easy. A Smeargle cannot survive 15 turns to get all its stat-ups, the opponent will already have prepared itself for a BPer with moves like Roar, etc.
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Oh, 'k thanks. Didn't know it worked like that. Sounds like a setup for great strategies.

And just for clarification: Does U-Turn do this as well, or is it just a switch that does damage? Also, don't both attacks switch to a random Pokemon, or can you choose?

On-topic: Endure. All it does is buy you a turn, then you're dead. Doesn't Focus Sash do the same thing anyway? (Unless there is also strategic value in this move which I don't see.)
 
profpeanut said:
Oh, 'k thanks. Didn't know it worked like that. Sounds like a setup for great strategies.

And just for clarification: Does U-Turn do this as well, or is it just a switch that does damage? Also, don't both attacks switch to a random Pokemon, or can you choose?

On-topic: Endure. All it does is buy you a turn, then you're dead. Doesn't Focus Sash do the same thing anyway? (Unless there is also strategic value in this move which I don't see.)
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I'm not sure about U-Turn, that's a good question. As for Endure, I imagine it would be useful against attacks like Hyper Beam or the like. But when would you even know to use it? I suppose if nothing else it helps waste the foe's PP
 
Tail Whip, what's the point of this when there's Screech... maybe Pokémon that can't learn Screech... still pretty useless =/

Growl, there's Charm already...
 
profpeanut: There is a use for Endure. Endure, leaving you with 1 HP, can then activate a Salac Berry boost, increasing your speed by 1 level. Then, you can proceed to sweep with Reversal/Flail, which does more damage the lower your HP is.

Also, U-Turn does not pass on stat boosts IIRC. For both Baton Pass and U-Turn, you can choose the Pokemon you want to come out next
 
profpeanut said:
Oh, 'k thanks. Didn't know it worked like that. Sounds like a setup for great strategies.

And just for clarification: Does U-Turn do this as well, or is it just a switch that does damage? Also, don't both attacks switch to a random Pokemon, or can you choose?

On-topic: Endure. All it does is buy you a turn, then you're dead. Doesn't Focus Sash do the same thing anyway? (Unless there is also strategic value in this move which I don't see.)
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U-turn only does damage. And luckily you can choose what to switch into. So its perfect for passing extra speed onto something like Rhyperior or Tyranitar.

Focus Sash and Endure are quite different.

Focus Sash leaves you at 1HP only if you are at 100% damage when the attack that would 1HKO you is used. So if you get hurt by Spikes, etc. when you switch in, or the attack isn't good enough to 1HKO you, if fails.

Endure, can be used whenever you want during the battle, and you can use it more than once, but it wastes a move slot. However, you can use another hold item like a Salac Berry. Oddly enough, Endure + Salac Berry also works well with Baton Pass.
 
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