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could the answer be evolution?

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thunderblade12

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ash gets starly..and it evolves quickly
brocks bonsly also evolves quickly



now they are giving ash, pauls chimchar and people believe there might be a aipom/buizel trade. also james will loose cacnea to gardenia


do you think the reason they evolved these 2 weaker pokemon quickly into the series and are having pokemon swaps between main characters is so they can evolve most(or all of them?)


stay with me on this...


they cant evolve a pokemon as soon as it is caught by a trainer, but if they were in the show and got plenty of screentime it doesnt matter how long its been with the same trainer before it evolves.


maybe this is a way for the writers to quicken evolution for D/P and not loose screen time for certain pokemon. chimchar had plenty of screen time for example, maybe it will evolve a few episodes after ash gets it

my ideas for the final teams by the time of the sinnoh league/grand festival is:(assuming a filler arc is in there afterwards)


ash:

pikachu(of course)
monferno
grotle
staraptor
buizel
piloswine(he will probably get a miscellanious type, piloswine is ice/ground..fitting for ash, and he will probably get an old pokemon that evolves into one of the new evolutions...making mamoswine perfect for ash)



dawn:

ambipom
pachirisu
buneary
prinplup
cherrim

brock:

blissey
sudowoodo
croagunk
nosepass

paul:

electivire
torterra
donkrow
gabite
random
random



zoey:

mismagius
purugly
tortodon
random
random


jessie:

seviper
lickilicky(that one guy will random show up and they will trade comically. dustox for lickitung)
wobbefete


james:

mime jr
carnivine




sugessed filler arc:


ash:

pikachu(yes..personality: generic pikachu)
grotle(he wouldnt evolve, paul has torterra. not fair to infernape. personality: protector)
infernape(he would be most likely to fully evolve out of ashes 2 starters. personality: mischievious)
staraptor(personality: generic bird pokemon)
floatzel(personality: cocky)
mamoswine(personality: lazy)
(catches a 6th pokemon that is the pre-evo of a 5th generation pokemon, it is sent to oaks)



dawn:

ambipom(personality: crazy)
pachirisu(personality: cutesy)
empoleon(personality: conceited)


brock:

toxicroak(brock getting poked in the *** with toxicroaks little arm stub thing..would that be cut from the dub for suggesting sexuality? personality: mellow)
probopass(he could act as a compass to help the group find their way. personality: none)
rhydon-rhyperior (battling rock type for brock. personality: serious..like sceptile)
new baby pokemon that evolves into something from gen. 5

paul:

electivire(personality: like pauls)
donkrow(personality: evil)
garchomp(personality: ferocious/determined, wont loose at any cost even if its life is in danger)
torterra(pauls strongest pokemon)
2 random super strong pokemon

zoey:

mismagius
tortodon
purugly
2 or 3 very strong pokemon

jessie:

seviper
wobbefete
lickilicky(may now he will have a personality and add some running jokes for team rocket)


james:

mr mime
carnivine
skuntank(running jokes for team rocket)



leaving before the start of the 5th generation



ash:(left at oaks)

grotle
infernape
staraptor
mamoswine
floatzel
(the 7th pokemon he caugh that was sent to oaks would then join him to go to the 5th gen. land. some excuse like "i never really got to spend time with *insert new baby pokemons name here* so ill take him with me to *insert 5th gen. lands name here*)


dawn:(left at home if she accompanies in the new land)

empoleon
ambipom


brock(left at pewter gym)

rhyperior
probopass

i think this is what will happen. what do u think?
 
No I dont think it will be anything like that. No offence, but really, highly, doubt that Ash will ever get Mamoswine. He doesnt have to get an old pokemon that evolves into A 4th gen one.
 
Yeah. Dawn won't leave 'Empoleon' at home, she'll take it with her cause it's her starter.

Also i knid of doubt Dawn will get Empoleon, Prinplup at the most.

Ash will probably get Monferno / Infernape but I don't think he'll get Grotle.

I doubt Ash will get Pilosine / Mammoswine

I can imagine Jessie getting a Skuntank more than James getting one and the chances of Jessie getting a Lickilicki are as much as Misty getting a Togekiss: none.

I can't imagine Zoey's Glameow evolving either or Brocks Happiny evolving all the way to Blissey.




If you haven't noticed, the main carrictors don't usually get many Stage 3 Pokemon.
Ash: Charazard, Sceptile, Pidgeot, Butterfree and Beedrill
Misty: Politoed
Jessie: Dustox
James: Victrybell
Brock: Crobat, Ludicolo
Tracey: none
May: Blaziken, Beautifly
Dawn: none


They didn't get all that mant Final Evolutions there, did they? Ash may get one final evolution, and Dawn may get one as well but Brock getting Blissey is way to slim.

EDIT: I edited this so people don't keep on saying 'You're missing Swellow and Donphan'. They don't count as Stage 3 Pokemon because there are only 2 Pokemon in the evolution chains (Phanpy > Donphan, Taillow > Swellow, etc)
 
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SpoinkDude said:
Yeah. Dawn won't leave 'Empoleon' at home, she'll take it with her cause it's her starter.

Also i knid of doubt Dawn will get Empoleon, Prinplup at the most.

Ash will probably get Monferno / Infernape but I don't think he'll get Grotle.

I doubt Ash will get Pilosine / Mammoswine

I can imagine Jessie getting a Skuntank more than James getting one and the chances of Jessie getting a Lickilicki are as much as Misty getting a Togekiss: none.

I can't imagine Zoey's Glameow evolving either or Brocks Happiny evolving all the way to Blissey.




If you haven't noticed, the main carrictors don't usually get many Final Stages of Pokemon.
Ash: Charazard, Sceptile, Pidgeot, Butterfree and Beedrill
Misty: Politoed
Jessie: Dustox
James: Victrybell
Brock: Crobat, Ludicolo
Tracey: none
May: Blaziken, Beautifly
Dawn: none


They didn't get all that mant Final Evolutions there, did they? Ash may get one final evolution, and Dawn may get one as well but Brock getting Blissey is way to slim.
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What about Swellow? Or Noctowl? He got them and they both had A pre evo. I think Ash will get Grotle and Infernape.
 
For your information, Misty had Starmie, which was a fully-evolved Pokémon. James had Weezing, which was a fully-evolved Pokémon, as was Jessie's Arbok, before they were released. And Brock's Sudowoodo. There may be more fully-evolved Pokémon the cast may have had and you didn't mention them.
 
Pachirisu said:
What about Swellow? Or Noctowl? He got them and they both had A pre evo. I think Ash will get Grotle and Infernape.
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King Of Steel said:
For your information, Misty had Starmie, which was a fully-evolved Pokémon. James had Weezing, which was a fully-evolved Pokémon, as was Jessie's Arbok, before they were released. And Brock's Sudowoodo. There may be more fully-evolved Pokémon the cast may have had and you didn't mention them.
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He was referring to Pokemon that had to evolve twice to reach their final form. He's probably fully aware of Misty's Starmie, Ash's Swellow, etc.
 
SpoinkDude said:
If you haven't noticed, the main carrictors don't usually get many Final Stages of Pokemon.
Ash: Charazard, Sceptile, Pidgeot, Butterfree and Beedrill
Misty: Politoed
Jessie: Dustox
James: Victrybell
Brock: Crobat, Ludicolo
Tracey: none
May: Blaziken, Beautifly
Dawn: none


They didn't get all that mant Final Evolutions there, did they? Ash may get one final evolution, and Dawn may get one as well but Brock getting Blissey is way to slim.
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Missing Swellow, Donphan, Glalie, Weezing, Arbok, Kingler, Muk and a lot more
 
Actually, Swellow, Donphan and co are Stage-1 (first evolved state) Pokemon. Turtwig, Pikachu etc are Basic ("unevolved") Pokemon. Poiltoed and Charizard are stage 2 ("second evolved state"). So far, there is no stage-3.

Seriously, am I the only one who actually pays attention to the TCG?
 
Evolution eh?

Well, Aipom, whoever winds up owning it (I'm still firmly in the Ash camp until we get conclusive evidence), will undoubtedly evolve into Ambipom. In fact I expected it to have happened by now...
I predict Turtwig will evolve into Grotle in time for the Wake gym and I think it will be instrumental in the league. Then I think Torterra will have a big role in the battle against Bertha later on before also having a role in the Cynthia battle. I notice speculation on the Elite Four has fallen by the wayside somewhat with all the Chimchar and Aipom/Buizel talk
On the subject of Chimchar, I think it'll evolve into Monferno fairly soon for the Maylene battle and into Infernape right at the last minute before the league eg Glalie. Infernape will undoubtedly be the one to take down Torterra in the final Paul showdown.
Staravia will evolve into Staraptor at some point, although i hope it's in some moment of importance, such as a confrontation with Team Galactic or J. One thing I would change between Hoenn and Sinnoh is the fact that all nearly the evolution episodes were so fillerish and otherwise pretty dull. I'd expect something along the lines of Swellow's evolution at the very least.

OK, Dawn's pokemon... where do I begin?
Probably Piplup is the best to start from. Piplup's won one contest already, and I reckon that the recent contest disaster is a sign of major changes to come with Dawn's team if she's going to have more success. May had Beautifly at first to be her major battler, and Dawn needs something similar as Buneary and Pachirisu need work. I expect we'll have three mid-stage starters by the fouth gym (by which time Dawn should have at least one more badge). Her pokemon need more focus actually.
Buneary will probably evolve eventually. I can't imagine her staying as she is now for too long cause Skitty she ain't. And it'd be great if Pikachu suddenly got a crush on Lopunny only for it to be unrequited back at him.
Buizel, again, could go either way. If it stays with Dawn it won't evolve and if it stays with Ash it will, but not until after the Wake battle and the debut of Floatzel.
Croagunk could also go either way, and I'll be pleased either way- I care more about him getting more battles! Happiny will probably evolve in time as well, and a Blissey would be way too cool. Brock does seem to get a non-battling third-stager in every saga.

Now, Paul's a strange one. I'm surprised Elekid is still unevolved, and I'm sure he'll evolve it before the Wake battle which may have some impact on Turtwig's evolution (again, giving more weight to evolution episodes). I think Electivire will be a major player for Paul in the final stages of the saga. With Torterra, Weavile and Ursaring already evolved is there any point in speculating about Murkrow? Come on, we know it's gonna happen!
 
My speculations about evolutions:

*Aipom: It will probably evolve, regardless of who gets it.
*Turtwig: It will probably evolve somewhere around the 4th gym, possibly to battle Wake's Quagsire, which Pikachu can't do much harm to. Pikachu can take care of Gyarados and Floatzel, though.
*Staravia: It will probably evolve somewhere around the 7th gym, possibly to fight Candice's Snover and Abomasnow.
*Chimchar: It'll probably evolve into Monferno somewhere before or after the 3rd gym. Seeing as how it has had tons of training with Paul, it must be close to evolution. It'll evolve into Infernape EITHER around the 6th gym, to fight the Steel types, OR around the 7th gym, to fight the Ice types, OR during the Pokemon League.

*Piplup: It will probably evolve for some contest.
*Buneary: I don't really see this one evolving, honestly.
*Buizel: If Ash gets it, it will probably evolve somewhere. If Dawn keeps it, i don't know.

*Croagunk: I really want this guy to evolve. The sight of Brock getting stabbed by Toxicroak's claw instead of Croagunk's hand makes me happy :)
*Happiny: I don't see her evolving either.
 
i bet chimchar will evolve before turtwig... just my opinion... cause chimchar will fully evolve on ashs team where as turtwig will only evolve to the middle stage
 
I'm sure Turtwig will evolve only into Grotle and the only fully evolved ones are going to be Staraptor and Infernape and maybe Floatzel if he does gets the weasel.
 
Also i knid of doubt Dawn will get Empoleon, Prinplup at the most.
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Why do you say that? Dawn started her journey WANTING to be a great coordinator. May just wanted to travel.

Dawn used Piplup all the time, while May preferred Skitty or Beautifly.

May's Torchic became Combusken, and eventually Blaziken. Why wouldn't the same happen to Piplup who gets much more attention and training?
 
starterlover1 said:
Why do you say that? Dawn started her journey WANTING to be a great coordinator. May just wanted to travel.

Dawn used Piplup all the time, while May preferred Skitty or Beautifly.

May's Torchic became Combusken, and eventually Blaziken. Why wouldn't the same happen to Piplup who gets much more attention and training?
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Look what happened with Marshtomp, I'm pretty sure they won't make the same mistake again. Like May, if Dawn leaves the group for good, I think it'll more likely evolve all the way.
 
Anonymous Trainer said:
Look what happened with Marshtomp, I'm pretty sure they won't make the same mistake again. Like May, if Dawn leaves the group for good, I think it'll more likely evolve all the way.
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Marshtomp was with Brock which was already a horrible thing plus it was even more boring than talking to a rock.
 
Dax said:
Marshtomp was with Brock which was already a horrible thing plus it was even more boring than talking to a rock.
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Sorry, I should have been more clear. I meant having a starter in the group that obviously has a low chance coming of back, at least should evolve fully before getting put off. I don't know about Ash's previous starters that didn't evolve though.
 
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