Fancy Cup!

[The Imposter]

This is a rather interesting metagame. It is quite unbalanced, but we should be able to create a banlist.

The rules of Fancy Cup:

1. The maximum level is 30
2. All Pokemon must be 6 feet 7 inches tall or under and 44.1 or fewer pounds in weight

For a list of eligible Pokemon go[URL=http://veekun.com/dex/pokemon/search?weight=%3C44.1lb&height=%3C6ft+7in]here.[/URL]

After looking at the list, you should find that there are a fair amount of legendaries such as Jirachi and Azelf. Skymin was banished to Ubers in DP competitive play and it is usable here.

With all these powerful Pokemon to use, a team of legendaries should be standard. However, there are other awesome Pokemon to use, too.

Permaweather exists in the form of Ninetales, so sun teams should be commonplace. Teams may have to use a weather move such as Rain Dance to remove the sun. Ninjask serves to be a great Baton Passer of boosts to Cincinno who can abuse her Technician ability. Roserade seems to be a great hazard setter and sweeper, while Amoonguss can Spore and has incredible bulk. Eviolite Ferroseed is another incredible wall. Mismagius and Haunter are both formidable Ghost sweepers. There are many other great Pokemon to use in Fancy Cup.

This was a cup usable in the DP Wireless Colosseum, but it never was touched in competitive play. I hope to get it out of the hangar and into the sky.

A list of Pokemon I think deserve a ban:

Spoiler: short list

Manaphy
Jirachi
Mew
Shaymin
Skymin
Any legendary

 

[AromaFlora]

I've no idea what Fancy Cup is, but I approved this anyway to see what this is exactly through other people's discussion and thoughts of it. Well, it seems to offer some competitive discussion so it appears to be fine. Who knows, people might start playing this!

 

[Ruby Blue]

I don't see Sun teams being too potent with the only decent chlorophyllers being Lilligant & Victreebel (Maybe Vileplume, but not Sunflora/Bellossom).

Weather seems a non-issue imo.

 

[The Imposter]

I don't see Sun teams being too potent with the only decent chlorophyllers being Lilligant & Victreebel (Maybe Vileplume, but not Sunflora/Bellossom).

Weather seems a non-issue imo.

Good point. However, Castform has decent offence and in the sun gets a double-STAB base 100 attack. And don't diss Bellossom.

So, Azelf appears to be a powerful force in this meta. Wide movepool, and plus it has incredible offensive stats. Too bad its typing allows it to potentially be revenged by a Shadow Sneak Bandette.

Looking over the list, Baton Passing could also be useful. Prime candidates seem to include Ninjask, Mew(though it may be banned), and Celebi(same thing with Mew). Light Ball Pickachu looks like a potentially good recipient, with gargantuan offenses(for Fancy Cup anyway, beating Meditite. Light Ball doubles Attack and Special Attack, right?) and a decent 90 Speed.

Stalling may be possible due to Uxie, Amoonguss, and Evioseed being included. However, sweeping could also be possible due to Cincinno, Mismagius, Banette, etc being allowed,

 

[Monster Guy]

As much as I like Castform, 70 base stats on every stat is not good.

 

[The Imposter]

As much as I like Castform, 70 base stats on every stat is not good.

I guess, though a Choice set with something like this could work in Sun:

Castform @Choice Specs/Scarf
Timid/Modest
252 Sp. Atk/252 Spd/4 HP
Weather Ball/Fire Blast
Solarbeam
Shadow Ball
Thunderbolt

Weather Ball and Fire Blast can be STAB. Solarbeam for Grasses, Shadow Ball for random Celebis/Mews/Victinis/Mismagiuses, and Thunderbolt for coverage.

If anyone wants to help me test out threats, let me know. I am magikarprules on PO.

 

[Vandslaux]

I'm guessing this won't work. At least Middle Cup was an ignored, yet existing last gen, metagame.

 

[ParaChomp]

I've no idea what Fancy Cup is, but I approved this anyway to see what this is exactly through other people's discussion and thoughts of it. Well, it seems to offer some competitive discussion so it appears to be fine. Who knows, people might start playing this!

Have you played the first Pokemon Stadium? That's where it's from.

Also, what the thread creator has posted isn't the full list of rules.

Spoiler: the full list

1. Only three Pokémon may be chosen.
2. All Pokémon must be Level 30 or lower, and the sum of all three levels must not exceed 80.
3. No Pokémon's weight may exceed 44.1 pounds (20 kilograms).
4. No Pokémon's height may exceed 6 feet and 7 inches (2 meters).
5. Pokémon must be of the lowest stage in their evolutionary line.
6. "Special Pokémon" may not be entered. This includes "Banned Pokémon".
7. No two Pokémon in any one team may have the same National Pokédex number.
8. No two Pokémon in any one team may be holding the same item.

This brought to you by Bulbpedia.

I guess we could ignore rules 1 and 2 and just have six Pokémon all at level 100. On top of that, a lot of people prefer playing without rule 8 so that can be thrown out as well. When they say "Special Pokémon", they mean legendary Pokémon.

With this set of rules in play, it's an adorable and interesting meta-game. I probably won't play it though.

 

[Blue Harvest]

Ninetales + random sun sweepers = gg.

Ninetales / Xatu / Charmeleon / Victreebel / Lilligant / Cinccino. It looks like UU if you were to remove pretty much everything that would resist a sun sweep. Broken beyond imagination.

 

[Guildenstarn]

Ninetails, Haunter, Lilligant, Swellow, Sigilyph, Nidorino....
Very Very Unbalanced it looks like, since you've got stuff like igglybuff and tepig agains manaphy and jirachi

 

[The Imposter]

Have you played the first Pokemon Stadium? That's where it's from.

Also, what the thread creator has posted isn't the full list of rules.

Spoiler: the full list

1. Only three Pokémon may be chosen.
2. All Pokémon must be Level 30 or lower, and the sum of all three levels must not exceed 80.
3. No Pokémon's weight may exceed 44.1 pounds (20 kilograms).
4. No Pokémon's height may exceed 6 feet and 7 inches (2 meters).
5. Pokémon must be of the lowest stage in their evolutionary line.
6. "Special Pokémon" may not be entered. This includes "Banned Pokémon".
7. No two Pokémon in any one team may have the same National Pokédex number.
8. No two Pokémon in any one team may be holding the same item.

This brought to you by Bulbpedia.

I guess we could ignore rules 1 and 2 and just have six Pokémon all at level 100. On top of that, a lot of people prefer playing without rule 8 so that can be thrown out as well. When they say "Special Pokémon", they mean legendary Pokémon.

With this set of rules in play, it's an adorable and interesting meta-game. I probably won't play it though.

Those are the rules for Wifi Colloseum and I guess Stadium 1. If we do this on PO, we will need more Pokemon available for versatility. That's why I ignored 5, 6, 7, and 8. I will edit the OP with the exact measurements, though.

EDIT:

Ninetales + random sun sweepers = gg.

Ninetales / Xatu / Quilava / Victreebel / Lilligant / Cinccino. It looks like UU if you were to remove pretty much everything that would resist a sun sweep. Broken beyond imagination.

Fixed. With Scarf Quilava can pull a Typhlosion and Eruption you to death in the sun.

If Sun is as prevalent as Blue Harvest says it will be, Flash Fire 'Mons like Lampent would be useful. Hidden Power to hit the Fire sweepers and Flamethrower/Fire Blast/Overheat to deal with Chloromons like Lilligant.

 

[artbomber_97]

Lol a metagame based on the height of Pokemon. This is definitely interesting and creative. It looks kinda fun.

 

[The Imposter]

Lol a metagame based on the height of Pokemon. This is definitely interesting and creative. It looks kinda fun.

I imagine it will be.

Do you think that Amoonguss has a niche in this tier as the only Spre user besides Shroomish, Paras, and Foonguss? Great bulk and decent offence is slightly mitigated by low Speed though.

Does anybody feel like testing this right now?

 

[Blue Harvest]

Those are the rules for Wifi Colloseum and I guess Stadium 1. If we do this on PO, we will need more Pokemon available for versatility. That's why I ignored 5, 6, 7, and 8. I will edit the OP with the exact measurements, though.

EDIT:

Fixed. With Scarf Quilava can pull a Typhlosion and Eruption you to death in the sun.

If Sun is as prevalent as Blue Harvest says it will be, Flash Fire 'Mons like Lampent would be useful. Hidden Power to hit the Fire sweepers and Flamethrower/Fire Blast/Overheat to deal with Chloromons like Lilligant.

No, run Charmeleon. It gets Solar Power so in the sun its Fire Blasts are WAY stronger than Quilava's Eruption.

Specs Charmeleon Fire Blast vs Bold Blissey: 56.4% - 66.5%
Specs Quilava Eruption vs Bold Blissey: 47.1% - 55.5%

After Stealth Rocks the damage becomes ever more noticeable.

 

[The Imposter]

No, run Charmeleon. It gets Solar Power so in the sun its Fire Blasts are WAY stronger than Quilava's Eruption.

Specs Charmeleon Fire Blast vs Bold Blissey: 56.4% - 66.5%
Specs Quilava Eruption vs Bold Blissey: 47.1% - 55.5%

After Stealth Rocks the damage becomes ever more noticeable.

True, true.

Anyone think that Stunfisk could be a good wall for this tier? Great HP and good defenses. RestTalk is also rare for a Gen. 5 Pokemon. A Curse set like this could potentially dominate.

Curse you Stunfisk the RestTalker! @Leftovers
Bold
252 HP/4 Atk/140 Def/112 Sp. Def
Rest
Sleep Talk
Curse
Earthquake

 

[Blue Harvest]

Pain Split / Protect / Scald / Discharge might work. Rest/Talk is crap because of the new sleep mechanics.

It doesn't have a chance of living long if sun is allowed.

 

[The Imposter]

Pain Split / Protect / Scald / Discharge might work. Rest/Talk is crap because of the new sleep mechanics.

It doesn't have a chance of living long if sun is allowed.

Hardly anything has a chance of living long if sun is allowed. Even Lampent dies to a good HP Rock.

I was thinking Cincinno with Rain Dance/Aqua Tail/U-Turn/Return or Tail Slap could make a good anti-sun lead. Rain Dance and Aqua Tail give Rain and can knock out Ninetales. U-turn to KO Chlorophyllers that don't have a Poison typing, and Return and Tail Slap are STAB. Give it Life Orb or a Sash and you're set.

 

[Blue Harvest]

The only way that will work is if the sun player is dumb enough to stay in.

This might happen if they assume you have no rain abusers (and for some reason will sac Ninetales on turn 1.. which is bad), but the second you use Rain Dance they will switch out. Not out of fear of Aqua Tail, but to preserve their Sunlight. Ciccino can't take a hit from anything in sun so it will never safely switch in.

The only counter to sun is more sun.

 

[The Imposter]

The only way that will work is if the sun player is dumb enough to stay in.

This might happen if they assume you have no rain abusers (and for some reason will sac Ninetales on turn 1.. which is bad), but the second you use Rain Dance they will switch out. Not out of fear of Aqua Tail, but to preserve their Sunlight. Ciccino can't take a hit from anything in sun so it will never safely switch in.

The only counter to sun is more sun.

Touche.

Now, we can't just say that sun can be countered only by sun though. We'll need to playtest this stuff first. I can be on PO right now to playtest.

EDIT: For Fancy Cup, EVs are determined by multiples of 12. So, instead of 252/252/4, we have 252/240/12.

 

[Kotone]

Why would anyone sit and create a thing like this? Why the requıred heights and weight are like that?