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Iris

Discussion in 'Pokémon Animé Discussion' started by GetInTheBagNebby_, Mar 27, 2017.

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  1. satopi

    satopi SM Ash is best Ash! All hail Champion Ash!

    Yeah she did care about him alot.
     
  2. TheWanderingMist

    TheWanderingMist Kanae, Keeper of the Gates Emblazoned

    Uh, the target audience doesn't forget them, going by almost any forum. The target audience is supposed to "age out" of Pokemon (some do, more don't). Besides, the show doesn't forget the girls. Each girl (except Iris) made a cameo beyond her generation, and Misty likely would have been like Brock if May hadn't worked out so well for them.

    You should probably just give up arguing with 345. It never gets anywhere.
     
  3. 345ash-greninja

    345ash-greninja Prince Of Balbadd

    What's your point? I did agree in my post that every travelling companion of Ash cared for him. I don't remember saying anything against it.
     
  4. Lord Trollbias

    Lord Trollbias Y'all Salty Bishes

    So she doesn't despise Ash then? Since you just admitted she cared for him.
     
  5. DankOverlord

    DankOverlord Komodo Dragons Rule!

    My point exactly . Thank you
     
  6. satopi

    satopi SM Ash is best Ash! All hail Champion Ash!

    I just posted the same thing you claim about Serena which makes her a lover:
    And since you want to talk about how Serena was in one battle, I can do the same:
    Props to Cilan for joining in her cheering- listen to her comments during the Ash vs Roxie battle. Ash was about to give up hope, not believing in himself until he heard Iris' words of encouragement that fired up the fiery soul in his belly to defeat Roxie. Ash regained the strength and power automatically getting back up and commanding Pikachu, fueling their confidence because he was touched by Iris' words. That was the time where the handsome Ash overpowered Roxie's Pokémon and slammed down her last Pokémon, showing off his badass maturity and fool proof plan. Remember the time where he was battling against Cilan? Iris was the only one standing up to cheer him giving him a look of admiration... and continued to. She also surprised him by giving him a cute upside down look afterwards. Ash found the strength to never give up and was strengthened by her immense words, never leaving his side. Unlike Serena who made silly faces all the time, she totally doesn't have a relationship with Ash. All she did was try to hold his hand unlike Iris who knew how to touch him with such care. The one time they got in a really big fight and almost left each other was just a momentarily lapse and they both show the error of their ways.
     
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  7. 345ash-greninja

    345ash-greninja Prince Of Balbadd

    Change the word to 'teased' from 'despised' then. Anyway, that doesn't matter, as I did mention earlier that it's not exactly her 'teasing' Ash that bugged me, it's something else.
    Yeah I had given my claims earlier about the fact that why Serena's love for Ash was 'true love'.
    Ok fine, then look at this part of my post I made earlier.
    See, it's evident that Serena always showed some extra concern, care for Ash and and always beleived in him and his abilities. That's what makes Serena different from the other girls as a true lover.
     
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  8. satopi

    satopi SM Ash is best Ash! All hail Champion Ash!

    And I have which I said:

    Iris is a true lover of Ash. :D
     
  9. DankOverlord

    DankOverlord Komodo Dragons Rule!

    A lover that only thinks about hsi victory is not as helpful as a friend who stands up for you adn gvies you REAL encouragement, but seeing as how you annot accept being in the wrong I won't eventry to aargue any farther

    .

    Honestly lets go back on topic guys, we're ddealing with a stubborn user which will end in thisthread getting closed .


    A thing I liked about Iris was her attitude she was "a better Misty" IMO
     
  10. 345ash-greninja

    345ash-greninja Prince Of Balbadd

    Like what. Did Iris show that extra concern for Ash that Serena did? That full faith and belief in Ash? Nah. So Serena always is Serena.
    Lol no. Serena comments during Ash's battles showed how much faith and believe she had in Ash's abilities, her concern when Ash is having trouble during a battle (like in the first Gym battle with Wulfric) shows her extra concern. This shows that Serena truly believed and cares for Ash no matter what.

    So you are just continuing what you were doing earlier. Can't counter one's argument, so make brash accusations.
     
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  11. satopi

    satopi SM Ash is best Ash! All hail Champion Ash!

    Iris and Misty are nothing alike but Iris is definitely the better character. Ever notice on how her relationships with people are different? I loved how Iris would physically fight with a Pokémon, using her hands to catch a fish, and how her overconfidence of getting over 100 wins with her Drillbur got stomped once she faced Drayden. I also loved her way of traveling (jumping from tree to tree and swinging on vines) was faster and more creative. She's also really agile for usually landing on her feet. It's also funny on how dysfunctional her team is and how her ego drops when her Pokémon like Emolga or Dragonite wouldn't listen to her but later on, they start listening. Her focus episodes were usually interesting (not including the Axew Gets Lost episodes), I was really touched by her backstory with Excadrill... I'm a bit surprised it wasn't her official starter Pokémon lol. And I like it that he accepts Pokémon of any type, it doesn't have to be Dragon type and her relationship with both Dawn and Langley was really nice as it lasted.
     
  12. DankOverlord

    DankOverlord Komodo Dragons Rule!

    Honestly my only gripes are that she didn't evove her Haxorus and that she didn't reappeared in XY btu then again I wouldn't have liked to see her losing against Serena (Which would've happened with the anime's tradition but who knows)
     
  13. satopi

    satopi SM Ash is best Ash! All hail Champion Ash!

    Iris doesn't have to be concerned about Ash to fully believe in him, she critiques and helps him but never forces her own ideas on him because she knows Ash will do what Ash believes is best for himself and she accepts it without complaint.

    Uh... doesn't ALL his friends comment on his battle? Shall I get into Mallow I mean she showed extra concern for Ash and comments on his battles... truly believing in the heavenly look & spirit that is Ash.

    Ha! I'm glad Iris stayed out of that shipping mess. Iris dodged a bullet here. She can appear whenever she's necessary.
     
  14. 345ash-greninja

    345ash-greninja Prince Of Balbadd

    Fine. But I'd rather accept someone as my lover who shows that extra concern for me and has full trust and faith in my abilities like Serena.


    Ok, look at Serena's comments during the Ash vs Wulfric, Ash vs Sawyer and the Ash vs Alain battle I mentioned. Doesn't it show some extra concern that Serena had for Ash and her full faith and trust in Ash's abilities? And you sure that there isn't something extra?


    If she ever appears again I bet it'll be at the end of the Pokemon Anime when all of Ash's previous travelling companions will meet up with Ash.
     
  15. DankOverlord

    DankOverlord Komodo Dragons Rule!

    THIS. I mean, Serena's love fro Ash and faith is admirable but she never went out of her way to make a notable effort to support Ash other than commenting.

    And that's something even Max and Tracy did

    So a character is only "good" in your eyes if its a complete fangirl with no real goals or focus beyond her crush?
    And nobody is talkign about lvoers, we're talkign about dedication and F R I E N D S H I P


    You literally just repeated your exact same words while giving zero real arguments, just stop dude you dig yourself deeper the more you talk
     
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  16. U.N. Owen

    U.N. Owen In Brightest Day, In Blackest Night ...

    Formal debate coach's advice: repeating the same argument and expecting different results only ticks off the people listening to or reading it.
     
  17. DankOverlord

    DankOverlord Komodo Dragons Rule!

    Debating anything with 345-ashgreninja in a nutshell
     
  18. 345ash-greninja

    345ash-greninja Prince Of Balbadd

    Maybe because she believed in Ash and his abilities? Whatever, but also prayed for Ash to win as well. When Ash is down to Greninja in the Ash vs Alain battle, Serena says with concern in her voice- Oh Ash, good luck. So she is also praying and wishing for Ash during battles.

    This is where I can't take your arguements seriously. Where did claim anything like that? I repeat- I prefer someone as a lover who always shows that extra concern for me and has full faith and belief in me. Do you understand now?

    satopi referred to Mallow's/or anyone else's comments during Ash's battles, so I just told him to reconsider Serena's comments during Ash's battles and see that whether there is something extra evident or not. That's why I repeated myself. Your accusations doesn't discredit my point.
     
  19. satopi

    satopi SM Ash is best Ash! All hail Champion Ash!

    Iris can't stay too far from where Ash is after all, he did try to catch her the first time they met. That's when you know he wants her! :D

    May did this many times (and under more intense situations like the Manaphy movie) and had a more physical, natural relationship with him which is why Advanceshipping is one of the strongest Ash ships.
     
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  20. DankOverlord

    DankOverlord Komodo Dragons Rule!

    You literally are still saying "fate and thinking about Ash"

    And the problem is that you refer to this as if we were talking about who is a better lover and you even say that even tough we're talking about characters and thier impacts and dedication to supporting each other, keep saying that Serena had "fate" and wanted Ash to win but it isn't anything special or new beyond her one sided pointless crush taht went nowhere and left no real chagne in Ash's character.
    And if you can only think of a character as a "lover" you have serous needs to remember that there is more to Pokegirls than being love interests or lovers, and Iris works fine as a friend amd much better than Serena because she had actual chemistry beyond being a yes woman who idolized Ash, she actually recognized his flaws but still liked him with them, and since you change your points of view and bring up pointless "counter-argument" just to attempt to be on the right

    And your bias is so painfully obvious
     
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