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Recurring Rival Pattern?

cauldronmaster

Well-Known Member
Though i'm technically a newbie to the forums, i've been watching this show since about the middle of season 1. That said, one of the most interesting things i've noticed over the years is the way the writers handle each protagonist's set of recurring rivals as an aid to advance their development and story.

The writers have created and recycled five different persona slots (discussed below) for recurring characters that are NOT: 1) people of important distinction to the general population (ie. Ash's mom, Prof. Oak, Gym Leaders) or 2) people who have, at one point, been a member of the main cast (ie. Misty, Tracy, May). Each protagonist (which in recent times is Ash and the regional girl), is assigned five recurring rivals, one for each of the aforementioned slots, at the beginning of each main region. While some slots may be left vacant throughout the general story (while the protagonist is acquiring badges/ribbons), all five slots will be filled for the GF/League, with the vacant ones filled by what you people call "GF/League-only rivals" (Harrison, Tyson, Solidad, etc.)

For the sake of keeping this post from becomming too long, i will only analyze the sinnoh rivals.

Persona slot 1: Main Rival

This one should be obvious. This Rival is the most heavily featured of the five, and is usually the first one to be introduced in a region. They have a specific quirk which mentally puts them at a higher level than the protagonist (meaning they are better able to come up with on-the-spot strategies to outsmart their opponents); one of the protagonist's goals in the the region is to meet or suprass this rival's level. That said, they also have the honor of being the only rivals that recieve quirk-related character development that is both onscreen and is in itself recurring. They upstage the protagonist at nearly every appearance during the story and are only properly defeated by the protagonist in battle at the region's League/GF. If the rival appears in more than one region, they are defeated at the final League/GF in which they are still considered as a rival to the protagonist (the examples of this being Drew and Gary).

Ash's main sinnoh rival is Paul, while Dawn's is Zoey.

Persona slot 2: Passionate Rival

As the name implies, this character is portrayed as extermely passionate towards battles/contests (depening on the protagonist). For this rival, victories and defeats are negligible: regardless of the outcome of a situation, they are always portrayed as either happy-go-lucky or overly dramatic. While they too are introduced with a specific, unique quirk, that quirk is never elaborated on and is nothing more than a running gag. While they are shown with above-average skill, they are effortlessly defeated by the protagonist whenever they battle.

Ash's Passionate rival in sinnoh is Barry, while Dawn's is Jessalina

Persona slot 3: Calm/Intelligent Rival

This rival is always given either a gentle or an assertive voice and a calm air always follows the character, even under intense situations. These rivals are one of the few characters in the entire anime who lack any form of grudge, thus having a superior level of intelligence in battles, usually rivaling that of most gym leaders. In fact, they are shown to be at a superior skill level to not only the protagonist, but sometimes the main rival as well. In most cases, this is the League/GF only rival that defeats the protagonist in their respective competition.

In sinnoh, Nando fills this slot for both Ash and Dawn.

Persona slot 4: Arroagant Rival

This rival is portrayed as a loner, who is easily offended by even the most petty of "insults". Upon receiving said insult, this rival vows to stop at nothing to bring "justice" upon the protagonist for their insult. They are shown to have considerable battling skill and consistently keep the protagonist on his/her toes until the very end. Even though they rarely actually defeat the protagonist in battle, any victory the protagonist has over this rival involves not only DEM, but also taking advantage of the rival dropping his/her guard by being cocky. As such, they are on par with the main rival in threat level, although are inferior mentally to said rival.

Dawn's Arrogant rival is Ursula.

As of this time, Ash does not have a specific rival for this slot in sinnoh. Though it can be argued that Paul doubles as both his Main and Arrogant rival, I suspect they are saving this slot for this legendary pokemon owning COtD in the League, as a way to have a COtD realistically match Paul in threat and intelligence level, while maintaining the character's average mentally in battle.

Persona Slot 5: Experiemental Rival

This rival, unlike the previous four, isn't exactly a true rival; rather, their main purpose is for the wirters to experiement with personalities outside of the other four for possible use in future regions. As such, their interaction extends to the entire main cast, not just the protagonist. Their goals, intelligence, and skills vary largely depending on the needs of the writers. Since they interact with the entire main cast as opposed to a single protagonist, the writers choose two characters for this slot relatively unassigned.

In sinnoh, these characters are Kenny and Conway

What do you guys think?
 
I think your analogy makes great sense, at least for Hoenn and Sinnoh. I don't see it going as far for the Indigo and Johto leagues, since there was just less going on there.

If I may:

Kanto:
Main: Gary
Passionate: Ritchie
Calm/Intelligent: -
Arrogant: Gary, Bellsprout lady, Arcinine trainer, Mandy etc.
Experimental: -

Johto:
Main: Gary
Passionate: Casey (obviously passionate about Electabuzz and beaten easily) and Macey (the one that had a crush on Ash)
Calm/Intelligent: Harrison
Arrogant: Gary?
Experimental: Vincent

The ones for Hoenn are pretty vague as well, since Ash had only two primary rivals: Tyson and Morrison, with no clear distinction between a main rival, passionate rival and calm/intellectual rival.

May on the otherhand was quite clear:

Main: Drew
Passionate: Jessie
Calm/Intelligent: Robert/Solidad
Arrogant: Harley
Experimental: Harley I guess, I don't know how you would call the first queery guy anything other then an experiment on the writers part.

You already did Sinnoh, so I'll leave it at this, if anyone has something to comment on, add on or correct, please do so, this can actually be quite interesting.
 
I think it makes sense that Ash was a bit ignored during AG. AG was the first time that viewers would be introduced to an actual new protagonist(Tracey doesn't count because he was temporary and did hardly anything when he was on) and although the distribution of screentime was relatively equal, development-wise May got more attention.
 
I still think Ash should have had some recurring rivals in Hoenn.

Brenden - Douchebag
Wally - Ash's "student"
Morrison - Same... just recurring
 
Wally's character was basically where the idea of Drew came from, (green hair, Roselia as main Pokemon), so I doubt he would have been a good idea too.

I do think Morrisson should have just been introduced earlier and been his main rival that entire arc.

I guess the writers felt that Ash just came off his climatic victory with Gary, so it was too soon to start another full rivalry and just focused on May's.
 
I don't know honestly. People were saying Kenny was the anime equivalent of Barry until they actually had Barry appear as well. Wally definitely wasn't arrogant in the games and his main pokemon was Gardevoir.
 
I think that Paul is actually the arrogant rival for Ash, and the main rival. Morrison should have been the main rival in Hoenn. Besides, it's pretty obvious that all the AG was a big missed saga in this category as he had no rival , and May's second rival appeared only on season 8.
 
Wally's character was basically where the idea of Drew came from, (green hair, Roselia as main Pokemon), so I doubt he would have been a good idea too.

I do think Morrisson should have just been introduced earlier and been his main rival that entire arc.

I guess the writers felt that Ash just came off his climatic victory with Gary, so it was too soon to start another full rivalry and just focused on May's.

Actually Max was based on Wally more than Drew. Wally's starter was Ralts and Max befriended one. Wally was younger in age and same goes for Max.

I didn't liked the idea of Barry as a rival in the anime. He was just like the game counterpart - always losing, impatient, lacked strategy, fan boy(he was Wake's fan in Platinum), etc. Although I like his character but he is not a challenge to Ash and whats the point of rival when they are not challenging.?
 
I'm afraid I dont necessarilly agree with this formula. It works great for Dawns rivals, not for anyone else really.

Ash only had two rivals in Kanto, Johto and Hoenn so the five slot thing doesn't work here. That's three out of four regions where the pattern doesn't work, and in Sinnoh, you've had to duplicate one rival to fit into two slots. That would be ok if the pattern worked everywhere else, but as it doesn't it shows that the pattern doesn't work for Ash at all.

For May, again, you've had to duplicate a rival to fit the slot, so basically the pattern only works with Dawn. Which means its works once out of six tries, meaning its not really a pattern at all.

However, you are right in pointing out that every rival has fitted into one of these five slots. So I think it would be more accurate to say that each rival thats introduced will have one of these 5 personalities.
 
I'm afraid I dont necessarilly agree with this formula. It works great for Dawns rivals, not for anyone else really.

Ash only had two rivals in Kanto, Johto and Hoenn so the five slot thing doesn't work here. That's three out of four regions where the pattern doesn't work, and in Sinnoh, you've had to duplicate one rival to fit into two slots. That would be ok if the pattern worked everywhere else, but as it doesn't it shows that the pattern doesn't work for Ash at all.

For May, again, you've had to duplicate a rival to fit the slot, so basically the pattern only works with Dawn. Which means its works once out of six tries, meaning its not really a pattern at all.


However, you are right in pointing out that every rival has fitted into one of these five slots. So I think it would be more accurate to say that each rival thats introduced will have one of these 5 personalities.

I've tried fumbling in some of the league rivals from Kanto and Johto, but even then it stays a stretch to fill in these slots in every series.. I mean who really saw Macey or Vincent as a rival in Johto? Not really.. So in that respect I think that you (Squaaah) make the clearest argument for the further use of these mental boxes to put the rivals in.. or to estimate what the rivals will be like..

But then again.. we didn't really consider Gary to be an 'arrogant type', and it's really only now apparent with Paul that the writers do re-use these trademark characteristics...
 
As i said in my initial post, some (usually most) of these slots are left vacant during the general story arc, but are filled for the main competition by league/GF only rivals

That said...

Kanto:

Main: Gary
Passionate: Janette
Calm/Intelligent: Richie (At the time, he was more similar to Red (from the *****) than Ash, thus having superior competence in battle)
Arrogant: Mandy
Experimental: None, im guessing this was because at that time, the show had no plans to go beyond season 1, so there was no real need to experiment. Closest to this would be Duplica and Suzie.

Johto:

Main: Gary
Passionate: Jackson
Calm/Intelligent: Harrison
Arrogant: Macy (while she is by no means arrogant person-wise, she is very aggressive with her battling style, which is similar to Ursula's in the future)
Experimental: Casey, Richie (his personalty then became more similar to ash's than red's (from the *****), so i guess the writers wanted to see the audience's reaction to a true Ash 2.0?)

Hoenn (Ash):

Main: Morrison
Passionate: Clark, Tomono
Calm/Intelligent: Tyson
Arrogant: Katie (see Macy)
Experimental: Nicholai (Personality implemented in Barry for sinnoh)

Hoenn (May):

Main: Drew
Passionate: Jessie (contest mode)
Calm/Intelligent: Robert/Solidad
Arrogant: Harley
Experimental: All "one-shot" coordinators (Grace, Timmy, Kelly, etc.)

In addition, this so-called legendary trainer could fill this arrogant slot in the same way that Katie and Macy did for their respective regions. He/she could be portrayed in the same vein as most main movie villans in terms of both intelligence and attitude. We've seen how Ash confronts these type of characters over the years, just this time without the whole "saving the world" thing.

Hopefully, this sheds a bit of light
 
Most of the one shot characters (who aren't really rivals in that sense) you've listed can fit into many of those catagories as their personalities are pretty vague. MOST co-ordinators could be classed as experimental. Clark could also be experimental, Mandi could also be passionate, Casey, also passionate.

And if we're including one shot COTD as "rivals" then we can include other gym collectors such as A.J and Samuri Guy, in which case there's not 5 groups, there's loads more.

Plus its STILL not a pattern if you're placing multiple people in the same group, then its just an excercise in grouping. A pattern is something you use to predict an outcome, but saying out of the hundreds of COTD's that turn up in each region some of them can be grouped into these five groups isn't really predicting much.

So basically, if you define a rival as someone who simply wants the same goal as the protagonist, then theres too many and its too vague to call it a pattern, and if you define a rival as a reacurring antagonist that has a personal connection to Ash, then there isnt a pattern here.
 
I think it's more of a coincidence than a pattern. I think it would be safe to say that we should wait until the next series before jumping to any conclusions.

I concur. Though I'll admit Squaah does make several valid points in his posts (guess i shouldn't really count COtD's as rivals)
 
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