Uber Attacks

[Horn Drill]

Notice how overpowered Iron Tail and Double Team have become? The writers stick them in all the time as the exact same and utterly stupid plot devices:

"Oh no! He used Double Team! Now there are a million Swellows! Which one is the real one?!"

"Pikachu! attack/block/slash through/counter with Iron Tail!"

Iron Tail has become the generic superpowerful physical move for just about any Pokemon with a tail. Even physically weak Pokemon like Pikachu can crank out unrealistic amounts of power from the move. Double Team has become the standard sneaky/dumbfounding move.

Along with Double Team being the most revolting move in the games, Iron Tail is also subpar. Hyper Beam has also always been overpowered and overrated in the anime, but Double Team and Iron Tail are starting to get ridiculous IMO. They've replaced the overpowered Pikachu's Thunderbolt of Johto with Iron Tail and Combusken's Fire Spin to a certain extent.

Does anyone agree with me on Double Team and Iron Tail getting too silly, or is my RMTer bias showing?

 

[Kinslayer]

Bottom line: The show =/= the games

I honestly don't care. It's not as if things such as this affect the show in a major way, so eh...

is my RMTer bias showing?

Yep.

 

[Korobooshi Kojiro]

We need more AFTH action here....

I wonder what will become DP's new standard attack?

 

[Francesc]

LOL, I remember when Pikachu killed everything with thunderbolt. Funny.

 

[Chris]

Double Team makes a lot of sense. The Pokemon moves so fast that it's created after images of itself, that it makes it difficult to detect which is the real deal. Though I don't see why you're complaining when Double Team has primarily been broken through many times via a projectile attack (such as using something like Thunderbolt) or the use of a Pokemon's body (such as Fushigidane swiping its vine in a horizontal way to hit all of the clone).

Iron Tail, well, think about it. The Pokemon's tail becomes iron for a temporary point in time and uses it to their advantage.

Your RMT bias is showing. Anime =/= games.

Sounds also like generic whining that I usually hear towards DT when someone can't get through it, to me.

 

[Horn Drill]

Well, regardless of Double Team being super hax, they still seem to use it a lot in the anime. They also seem to treat it like a big deal, even though, like you said, its usually taken care of by a scattered Thunderbolt or whatever. It's kind of annoying to see it used all the time as a repetitive plot device when they could make battles a lot more fun and interesting.

Iron Tail is probably a bigger problem than Double Team in the anime IMO. All different kinds of Pokemon use it all the time with unrealistic amounts of strength, even physically small or weak ones. They can really go overboard with it sometimes. The suspenceful or awe-inspiring aspect of using the move went away a long time ago.

Focus Punch and Solarbeam are also becoming a bit silly. They always ignore Solarbeam's charge-up time, which they actually payed attention to in the olden days. This results in Solarbeam being able to fire almost immediately with insane power. Part of Solarbeam's gimmick in the anime (and the games) was that it took a while to charge up, making it a risky move to use. Focus Punch, on the other hand, seems to behave just like all other punching moves in the anime: The fist glows, and they punch, and we have to assume its really powerful. Even though anime =/= games, I think it would have been better if they had at least acknowledged its effect. This would have made the move more unique instead of just letting it be the 3rd Gen clone of Mega Punch and Dynamic Punch. The battle with Greta was ridiculous: Snorlax survived about 10 direct Focus Punches from Medicham (which were rounded off numerous times with no consequences), even though Snorlax bears a type weakness, which was even acknowledged earlier in the episode! There was a large amount of inconsistency.

 

[Alkaide]

Personnaly, I thought it was stupid whenever double team was used and Ash would say: "Pikachu, center yourself and try to picture which one is the real one!" It was so stupid.

 

[Chris]

They always ignore Solarbeam's charge-up time, which they actually payed attention to in the olden days. This results in Solarbeam being able to fire almost immediately with insane power.

Uh..they STILL DO charge it up. ;\ There's no such things as turns in the anime.

Focus Punch, on the other hand, seems to behave just like all other punching moves in the anime: The fist glows, and they punch, and we have to assume its really powerful. Even though anime =/= games, I think it would have been better if they had at least acknowledged its effect.

They do. Kekking tried using Focus Punch at one point and lost its concentration in Satoshi's Houen Gym Battle. [SPOIL]His Aipom even stops from attacking when hit by Hikozaru's Flame Wheel in mid-Focus Punch charge.[/SPOIL]

The battle with Greta was ridiculous: Snorlax survived about 10 direct Focus Punches from Medicham (which were rounded off numerous times with no consequences), even though Snorlax bears a type weakness, which was even acknowledged earlier in the episode!

You try punching punching a really fat guy. See what kinda affect you get there.

As for Double Team, seriously now. It's a defensive move. Despite it being "cheap" in your eyes of the games because most RMTers see it as simply a "luck increasing" move on behalf of the user. The attack is normally used to not only throw off the opponent's guard on which is the real one, but also from where it will attack if all of them mimic the same actions. It's a good defense that most Pokemon can learn.

 

[Horn Drill]

Uh..they STILL DO charge it up. ;\ There's no such things as turns in the anime.

Obviously, but compare Solarbeam as it was depicted in the older episodes with how its depicted now. The charge-up is really brief or nonexistant (such as in the battle with Tate and Liza).

They do. Kekking tried using Focus Punch at one point and lost its concentration in Satoshi's Houen Gym Battle. [SPOIL]His Aipom even stops from attacking when hit by Hikozaru's Flame Wheel in mid-Focus Punch charge.[/SPOIL]

As with Solarbeam, they pay attention to this effect in earlier episodes, but let it drop off later.

You try punching punching a really fat guy. See what kinda affect you get there.

But that many Focus Punches? Come on. Some of those were in the face. X_x

As for Double Team, seriously now. It's a defensive move. Despite it being "cheap" in your eyes of the games because most RMTers see it as simply a "luck increasing" move on behalf of the user. The attack is normally used to not only throw off the opponent's guard on which is the real one, but also from where it will attack if all of them mimic the same actions. It's a good defense that most Pokemon can learn.

But they use it all the time! Every once and a while would be okay, but since almost every Pokemon can use the move, the writers believe that it can advance the action in any battle. It's really just become kind of obnoxious and boring because of how the characters react to Double Team being used compared to how easily they can dispel the copies.

 

[Alkaide]

You try punching punching a really fat guy. See what kinda affect you get there.

Yeah, but that many? Just like horn drill said, some were in the face. And he has a type disadvantage. I could undertand 3-5 of them, but 10? That's getting a little ridiculous, don't you think?

 

[red2000]

I agree that Focus Punch and Solarbeam have been unrealistic due to lack of charge up, but at least there power is close to the game standard, Lets talk about the uber ability of the weak attacks Bullet Seed, Bubble, and Bubblebeam, each of these attacks powers range from 10-65, but in the show it seems like they range from 70-80. Like Corphish's Bubblebeam is a match for Alakazams Psybeam?, Then Bullet Seed [ even on Sceptile } can chip steel off of Metagosss? and finally Squirtles Bubble, which is enough to knock down Drew's Flygon is just wrong, Do you all agree? this madnesss has to stop

 

[TheBuddyBud]

heheheh

remember the first movie? pikachu used thunderbolt or thunder to defeat THREE pokemon (including a GOLEM which is a ROCK type) with ONE shot

 

[Korobooshi Kojiro]

I punched a fat guy too see what happened....

It ACTUALLY does hurt them, that's their weak point! I hit it for MASSIVE DAMAGE!

I then AIMED FOR THE HORN, with my THUNDER ARMOR....and totally beat him because of my STAB, and I have a beneficial Nature.

I also EV trained by beating up hookers earlier, and I was holding Leftovers so my health kept going up. I think i'm level 50 now!

 

[Dark SpOOn Bender]

imo, they do use iron tail and double team too much, overheat is becoming that way too cause in teh beginning of hoen it was exclusive to ash's torkoal, but now charizard learns it and may's blaziken knows it... hyper beam and solar beam are sorta annoying me too now... they need to use different attacks more often when facing other opponents to maybe mix it up a bit, maybe use attacks not normally seen, come to think of it i have never seen a giga drain attack used on the show

also, i am getting sick of people using the "game =/= anime" excuse for everything =/... but i do have to say one thing, the power of attacks in the anime is not always based on the attack itself, its based on the pokemon's power to utilize the attack... so obviously may's squirtle is powerful which is why the bubble attack caused a lot of damage, or what about poison sting and pin missile? weak attacks that are powered up, so really the attacks base power in the games has nothing to do with the anime

 

[Horn Drill]

May's Squirtle really is getting ridiculous. It's just a baby, and yet its Bubble is crazy-strong, and it learns Ice Beam all by itself like magic. It uses Bubble because it's too young to learn Water Gun, but if Bubble can take down Harley's Ariados (and many other Pokemon) so easily, what's the point?

 

[xenero]

Why doesn't ash spam Double Team then Thunderbolt. And when some people do use Double team, they just let the opponent's pokemon keep attacking while they don't anything, not even attack, then they get hit. Seriously, how could some people be that bad? Also, Pikachu can beat a Regice, but not an elekid?

 

[Chris]

heheheh

remember the first movie? pikachu used thunderbolt or thunder to defeat THREE pokemon (including a GOLEM which is a ROCK type) with ONE shot

Fail. Rock-types can be hurt by Electric attacks. It's GROUND-types that aren't affected. The Pokemon you mentioned, however, shouldn't have been hurt since it is part Ground.

As with Solarbeam, they pay attention to this effect in earlier episodes, but let it drop off later.

Good job ignoring the spoiler as that was a RECENT EPISODE. If it was in a recent episode, then obviously it wasn't dropped off later on as you claim.

But they use it all the time! Every once and a while would be okay, but since almost every Pokemon can use the move, the writers believe that it can advance the action in any battle. It's really just become kind of obnoxious and boring because of how the characters react to Double Team being used compared to how easily they can dispel the copies.

Not a whole lot of Pokemon have attacks they can use to defend themselves. Not many can use Harden, Withdraw, Agility, Protect, Detect and so forth. So it's either dodge, take the hit, or use something. Most of the time, they either dodge, take the hit or use an attack that's normally used for attacking in the form of defense (such as Jukain using Leaf Blade or Pikachu using Iron Tail). Because Double Team's capable of being taught to most other Pokemon, it's the easiest route they can go as some Pokemon aren't quick enough to dodge out of the way or have a tough exterior to take impacts from attacks like Kabigon or Zenigame.

However, I do agree that Haruka's Zenigame was horribly overpowered.

 

[red2000]

The point is if they can straighten out the games by using a new battling system they can do the same with the anime, but it only seems like the rules apply to piss people off, like what was said earlier about Focus Punch, the charge up was completly ignored in the Battle Arena ep, but when Ash's Aipom tried it it was interrupted { sorry if mispelled} by Shinji's Hikozaru, the same goes for Solarbeam, so in a nutshell the answer to all your questions is that the writers are simply Gay

 

[Yamato-san]

Double Team makes a lot of sense. The Pokemon moves so fast that it's created after images of itself, that it makes it difficult to detect which is the real deal.

I don't think speed of the Pokemon's movement has anything to do with it. Considering nearly every Pokemon's capable of learning it (even very slow ones like Tsubotsubo... although, several speedy Pokemon seem to learn it naturally, incidentally), and its Japanese name is "Kage Bunshin" (Shadow Division), I'd say it's more of a special, illusionary skill, obviously based off the concept of ninjutsu.

 

[Alkaide]

I'm pretty sure double team is just creating multiple copies of itself, it has nothing to do with speed.