LilligantLewis
Bonnie stan
Lol her one loss wasn't even real Serena, it was Mirror Serena in the Reflection Cave episode. Ugh
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Lol her one loss wasn't even real Serena, it was Mirror Serena in the Reflection Cave episode. Ugh
Pokegirl Fan~
Liko>>>>>Ash
I wish Mirror Serena was the female lead instead of regular Serena. It seemed like she would be alot more active since she was the strongest battler of the mirror group.
I would have been fine with Serena's current level of battle activity if they had just handled it more fully execution wise. There were a decent number of battles, they were all just unmemorable because they were curb stomps or plot armour climaxes. They should have just let her finish her battles win or lose or even just gave her some more challenging Team Rocket face offs like Ash and Clemont had at the start of the series (which would have also likely made the TRio far less monotonous and pointless).
There should have been more points she was challenged and forced to demonstrate her full potential besides that two minute battle with Ash at the very end of the series. Seriously why did they wait until then to cut the cord? It was like cruel trolling.
There should have been more points she was challenged and forced to demonstrate her full potential besides that two minute battle with Ash at the very end of the series. Seriously why did they wait until then to cut the cord? It was like cruel trolling.
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Thinking back however, I wonder if Serena was doomed from the start tho since Ash got like 95% of the attention and battles during XYZ any ways for example, so Serena's chances to battle were always limited. :[
In fairness though, even Clemont, with his similar inactivity, got a more palpable amount of good displays out of it. He got few official battles, but they were finished battles and Team Rocket fights that weren't just mindless curb stomps (hell even some that WERE curb stomps were through having better strategy rather than just spamming 'Dodge!' and the same attack like Serena always did). You could still tell he was a good battler even if it didn't frequently get demonstrated. Substance is the difference here.
Hell TEAM ROCKET themselves got more good battles than Serena within all their punching bag roles.
Hell TEAM ROCKET themselves got more good battles than Serena within all their punching bag roles.
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Leonhart
Imagineer
Satoshi getting so much time in which to battle during XY&Z was understandable, but Serena hypothetically had opportunities during the first half of the XY storyline. She could have battled frequently while she was trying to find her goal if the writers had wanted her to. They simply didn't seem motivated.
They weren't motivated cuz they had their hands full developing her Showcase goal. It's a shame how the writing staff never found the right balance of Showcases and battling for Serena tho. Serena vs Aria in disguise was the closest that they got.
LilligantLewis
Bonnie stan
I wish that battle had finished. I think it would have been acceptable for the Kalos Queen to lose a battle on screen..she's not the Champion after all
DarkLeviathan
Banned
Serena winning would have been horrible writing don't you think? Aria's team seemed stronger and she was more experienced from the look of things.
Spyro39
Well-Known Member
Agreed. Serena's just a beginner, while Aria is far more experienced. It wouldn't make sense for Serena to take the title of Kalos Queen from Aria that quickly.
SinnohEevee
Well-Known Member
I don't see her appearing.
There's this tweet from the sound director saying this is a new Ash.
Plus, this show resents romance.
U.N. Owen
In Brightest Day, In Blackest Night ...
Dephender shot this down as a mistranslation. I don't know why people keep trying to pull this card.
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Pokegirl Fan~
Liko>>>>>Ash
If anything XY Ash was a new Ash especially since there was very little continuity from any of the past series at all. SM fits into the main series continuity more especially since Ash has already mentioned his Tauros along with his mom and professor oak making appearances and cameos. Heck he even dropped his Kalos team in the first episode iirc
SinnohEevee
Well-Known Member
I have seen Japanese-speakers on other forums confirm it was really what the sound director said.
U.N. Owen
In Brightest Day, In Blackest Night ...
You can bring up the translation of the tweet with Dephender. I don't speak Japanese, but I'll take his word.
http://www.serebiiforums.com/member.php?34939-Dephender
LilligantLewis
Bonnie stan
LOL! You misunderstood. I didn't mean Kalos Queen. I meant the battle in XY64. If battling isn't Aria's goal either, it would have been ok for her to lose.
In fairness, the win still would have felt a bit cheap because Fennekin had evolved mid way through and just got a huge plot enforced power boost. And Serena's team were clearly getting their asses kicked up until then, with Serena not being able to improvise. It wouldn't have been a real display of Serena's battle competence, just her luck winning out again. The same thing happened when Eevee evolved, getting her *** creamed the moment it stopped being easy and the evolution boost doing everything. She didn't win, the Pokemon and their boost had.
I would rather she won a difficult battle without needing help in some way, I wanted to see her outsmart an opponent and resist a good offence. Vs Ash was her best display of strategy and obviously even then she couldn't have realistically won against Pikachu so they cut it short.
I would rather she won a difficult battle without needing help in some way, I wanted to see her outsmart an opponent and resist a good offence. Vs Ash was her best display of strategy and obviously even then she couldn't have realistically won against Pikachu so they cut it short.
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Pokegirl Fan~
Liko>>>>>Ash
I agree about her not beating Aria, and I think a called off battle was the best choice to happen.
Disagree about Eevee evolving since it was against Miette and James, and I highly doubt either are that great at battling especially James.
They were still thrashing her (and even Ash's Pikachu) up until that moment however, pretty much any instant James started using a strategy for once, she was completely outdone. That was the annoying thing, they tried to sell her as getting stronger and more independent but she couldn't handle even the slightest challenge. Any time she couldn't win with just 'Dodge!' and the same attack a couple times, it was instantly 'stop the match! call in the cavalry!'. She was never allowed to be smart or struggle a little. Hell even just losing would have allowed her to look more fallible (poor James was the one who didn't want to send Inkay into a beating anyway).
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