KingsofCrimsonAA
Beginning noob
XD so true , if yu ARE a fan of pokemon , just shush and buy it , and play it till yur thumbs fall off , who cares what othas think
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XD so true , if yu ARE a fan of pokemon , just shush and buy it , and play it till yur thumbs fall off , who cares what othas think
Charmander#4
Dating Rosie Palms?
Who says that playing Pokémon and reaching first base are mutually exclusive? :3
I mostly don't complain about the Pokemon or things that relate to it, just that most of the games don't use the full potential of the carts from where I'm informed. If they do, then I've been complaining before and no one has stopped me, but if not, then I'm upset that they don't fill it up all the way. Oh well, though, you can't force creativity.
Re: Complaining about Pokemon
Most people just complain because they think that Pokemon need to be based off certain animals, and when they see Pokemon that aren't based off those animals, or Pokemon that are based off of machines or gears, they get upset about it and call them not Pokemon. They just pretend that Pokemon need to be 'natural things' that come from nature in real life. I guess it makes *some* sense, though, since Pokemon evolve and man-made things can't evolve exactly. Just technology advances over time. But, hey, haters gonna hate.
Re: Complaining about Pokemon
Most people just complain because they think that Pokemon need to be based off certain animals, and when they see Pokemon that aren't based off those animals, or Pokemon that are based off of machines or gears, they get upset about it and call them not Pokemon. They just pretend that Pokemon need to be 'natural things' that come from nature in real life. I guess it makes *some* sense, though, since Pokemon evolve and man-made things can't evolve exactly. Just technology advances over time. But, hey, haters gonna hate.
The Outcast
Terminate421
Its called Nostalgia, too many people let it get to their heads.
For instance, some claim Golden Eye was the greatest FPS ever.
In my opinion though, I thought it sucked. Halo was better.
For pokemon, people think the old ones are better due to "Simpler" Design.
In my opinion, I though the 2nd Generation and the 4th generation were the best.
So far everything for the 5th generation looks fine to me, nothing to go insane about though.
For instance, some claim Golden Eye was the greatest FPS ever.
In my opinion though, I thought it sucked. Halo was better.
For pokemon, people think the old ones are better due to "Simpler" Design.
In my opinion, I though the 2nd Generation and the 4th generation were the best.
So far everything for the 5th generation looks fine to me, nothing to go insane about though.
The Porygon family would like to have a word with you sir, as well as most steel types.
Halo didn't bring anything new to the FPS genre, which is why the earlier games like Golden Eye and Doom are considered the greatest FPS ever because they brought something new to the genre.
Corroded Arceus
Shiny Hunter
People will complain over the pettiest things, just because they can.
It all comes down to them being used to getting what they want. Give a third world child or a poor child a DS and a Pokemon game, he will be thrilled to even have one. He won't care if Magmortar is ugly, nor will he comment on how stupid Lyra's hat looks.
Mind you, I would get pretty irritated if a dual type eeveelution comes out, or they stop making eeveelutions altogether. I won't be all I'M GOING OF POGEYMANS FOREVAHH!! about it.
Also, I think it partially comes down to the immaturity of the fandom itself. It's a game marketed at young kids.
It all comes down to them being used to getting what they want. Give a third world child or a poor child a DS and a Pokemon game, he will be thrilled to even have one. He won't care if Magmortar is ugly, nor will he comment on how stupid Lyra's hat looks.
Mind you, I would get pretty irritated if a dual type eeveelution comes out, or they stop making eeveelutions altogether. I won't be all I'M GOING OF POGEYMANS FOREVAHH!! about it.
Also, I think it partially comes down to the immaturity of the fandom itself. It's a game marketed at young kids.
YellowHat's Revenge
Sweet.
I hate that BS argument. I'm sorry, but regardless of whether a game brought something new, in the end its all about how you play.
Halo REFINED what Goldeneye was. It was a better version of "the best".
Goldeneye is not "the best" in my eyes. It was just the best at the time.
In contrast, a game like Super Mario 64 (and even Super Mario Sunshine) can be compared to Super Mario Galaxy, and if you're me you'll say that the former 2 are MUCH better. Each one brought new features and a different style of play, but some just worked better than others. (let it be known that for whatever reason, most people hated the Gamecube title SMS, I guess because they hated the whole water/beach thing. I adored that)
The reason I dislike SMG (though I haven't played SMG2, yet, it could change my opinion) is because it's too easy a game, and too short. Even the secret, challenge stars are rather simple to obtain.
Don't get us all wrong, Halo does look like a decent series, but we don't think it's worthy on being the best FPS ever made. You will see once the Golden Eye remake comes out soon.
SMS was good, but as good as SM64 since there weren't a lot of platforms that made the series good in the first place. As for SMG being too easy, Luigi's purple coins says hi (I still haven't beaten it to this day).
Noheart
The Abysswalker
Metal isn't man made last time I checked, if you're referring to the Metal Coat that helps Steelix and Scizor evolve- the only two pokemon that evolve by the item.
The Porygon family IS man-made, but they don't evolve. They simply upgrade with more man-made items, there's no evolution involved.
Wasn't Call of Duty named the best FPS series?
It's evolution as far as Pokemon goes.
Misty Lover17
Water Trainer
You said the solution in the question, we have to wait till the game will be out - and only then to determine whether it is good or not.
The only thing to complain about now is the Pokemon. If you don't like them, you can express your opinion. Personally, I don't like to express my opinion too much on something that has not come out yet.
Whining and complaining doesn't help anyway.
The only thing to complain about now is the Pokemon. If you don't like them, you can express your opinion. Personally, I don't like to express my opinion too much on something that has not come out yet.
Whining and complaining doesn't help anyway.
This. I've complained incessantly about pokemon since 3rd generation this does not mean I'm not going to play the hell out of the games.
The "if you complain about the game then don't play it" argument is flawed.
We complain about new pokemon/new features because we are passionate about pokemon. Most people who complain about the new pokemon are original fans of 1st and 2nd generation. To me, and a lot of people, with each generation, pokemon gets worse. To us new pokemon simply aren't as interesting/lovable. It's natural that we're going to complain, we want things to be different. This doesn't mean that we HATE the new games or new pokemon.
It's interesting that the subject of first-person shooters came up with this. With FPS games so many people use the "if you complain about the game then don't play it" argument. If you look at halo, people complain about the most minute things in the game and then those people get flamed to hell, told to stop playing the game if they hate it so much. The thing is, the people who complain most about the game are actually the people who love it most, they want the game to be perfect. Bungie (for those, who don't know develop halo) listen to their fan's criticisms. And consider the fanbase's opinion when designing weapons/maps, that's why they released public betas for halo 3 and halo reach. They WANT criticism, that is why they release betas of the games (as well as for marketing reasons, of course).
The same thing sort of applies to pokemon, but to a lesser extent. I love pokemon, and I know that pokemon, for me anyway, apart from nostalgic reasons will never be as good as it was with the first two generations. This won't stop me from complaining. I love pokemon with a simple design, as do a lot of fans. If we complain about how pokemon nowadays aren't simple enough, the designers have to at least take into account this fact.
I'm not sure who this is aimed at, but if it's at the people who complain about pokemon and still play it. Sorry my IQ isn't as high as yours. My opinion is invalid.
You can't say that you don't like the Pokemon and think they are unlovable/whatever then say that you don't hate them. No, you either don't like them or you do. >_>
As for your example involving first person shooters: Pokemon has it's own little niche in the RPG genre. You have a party like a lot of other RPGs, but in this game you can choose out of 150 different characters that are mostly unique, even if they are the same character. Pokemon isn't quite as similar to other RPGs as Halo or Call of Duty is similar to other first person shooters.
The difference is that, opinion matters in those games because the developers wish to create the ideal game so that they'll make more money and have more people playing than the other companies. Pokemon just needs little kids to say 'Wow, a new Pokemon game! I want it! Look at that cool dragon thing!' and then they've made the money. There are no other games that come on T.V. and the kids says 'Wow, I don't need Pokemon because this game is so cool!' whereas (and I do not play FPS
You can't be a diehard Pokemon fan and not buy another game, because there are no other games like it. Well, there are some like that Dinosaur game, maybe a few I haven't heard of, but probably they have nothing on Pokemon simply because of the diversity Pokemon has already and will continue to have.
tl;dr - Game Freak doesn't give a **** whether or not you think the Pokemon look too complicated or too simple. They care about whether or not they look cool to the kids and they'll buy the games and get their friends to buy them.
Also Battlefield to Call of Duty may have been a better example than Halo to Call of Duty.
Dark Eevee
Well-Known Member
What I meant was that the things that these Pokemon are based off of don't evolve per se, they advance with technology. And that is what makes the people who think that Pokemon should be based off of nature tick.
I didn't say that I don't like new pokemon, I said that they are getting worse, according to those complaining. If I didn't like new pokemon at all I wouldn't play new pokemon games. We complain because we want to see the simplicity of earlier pokemon brought into the design of the new. Perhaps it is completely futile, who knows how gamefreak design new pokemon. Of course their primary purpose is to make money and the way to achieve this is by appealing to the its target audience (kids). So we see all these "cool" new crazy creatures like the two new 5th generation legendaries.
If we look at the 1st generation, it also has the "cool" crazy powerful pokemon that appeal to the kids, for example, Charizard. He had a simple design but was a badass. So he obviously appealed to the kids while still having a simple charm. Things obviously changed. Perhaps gamefreak realized that kids prefer the more crazy extreme pokemon for example dialga and arceus, therefore if they design more pokemon like that then they make more money. Makes sense.
What happens here though is the people who prefer the more simple design were being left alone. Which is understandable. But when designing new pokemon, if we weren't to complain gamefreak would be completely unaware that there are many people out there looking for pokemon with a 1st/2nd generation style to them. I'm not saying that this is going to make gamefreak design more simple style pokemon. As I said, who knows how they decide to design pokemon but its better that they are aware of what we want rather than not knowing at all. That is why those who are not happy should complain.
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YellowHat's Revenge
Sweet.
Ha, I don't play FPS. I'm a casual gamer, myself, and I mostly only play Zelda, Pokemon, and a few other Nintendo titles.
I was just pointing out that Goldeneye was great, but shouldn't be considered the greatest simply because it brought something new to the table. The word for that is "innovative".
And I didn't get every star on SMG, either, but that was mostly because after I beat the game in less than a week and got most of the rest of the stars within that week, I got severely bored.
But I s'pose I should give it more credit. It was at least cool gameplay.
I was just pointing out that Goldeneye was great, but shouldn't be considered the greatest simply because it brought something new to the table. The word for that is "innovative".
And I didn't get every star on SMG, either, but that was mostly because after I beat the game in less than a week and got most of the rest of the stars within that week, I got severely bored.
But I s'pose I should give it more credit. It was at least cool gameplay.
Actually, I think it was said a while ago that every generation has a different team of Pokemon designers.