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if we had access to immortality, how would it phase in the world? is it bad? is it good? do you think we should NEVER have it?

on one hand, it sounds scary but on the personal side.. it sounds perfect.
 
The world would be over crowded, and life would be crappy because there's too much people and not enough resources. Kind of like what's happening now in the world and will escalate in a few decades...
 
As much as some people are afraid of dying and wish that they would never die, it just isn't plausible. Birth rates would go up while death rates vanished, which would cause extreme overpopulation to the point where there wouldn't be any more room to live, let alone any more resources which would be gone in the snap of a finger.

The idea of immortality just doesn't function in of itself either. If we depleted our resources so that we had none left, yet we could never die, then that makes the resources useless in the first place. It's kind of like a paradox I guess.
And what about aging? Would people stop againg after a certain period in their life and just stay that way physically and mentally for good?
How would we not die? If somebody was bitten in half by a shark, or jumped off of a building, nothing would happen?
And the only true reason we need to drink, eat, breath, exercise, etc. is so that we can stay alive, but what would be their purpose then if we didn't need to worry about staying alive? Our organs keep us alive, but then they would be useless.

I mean, it's difficult to think about because nothing about it makes sense.
 
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We would get so bored that we'd want to die. Even if our body didn't get old internally, so you never got arthiritis or something, you'd get to a point, a couple million years later, where you'd be so sick of living you'd be like "SOMEONE KILL ME ALREADY" even though you know you're immortal... heh.

Basically, you'd sit around until the sun explodes, and then have the fun of floating around in space aimlessly until you fall into orbit somewhere.
 
GhostAnime said:
if we had access to immortality, how would it phase in the world? is it bad? is it good? do you think we should NEVER have it?

on one hand, it sounds scary but on the personal side.. it sounds perfect.
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Immortality as in you can't die or be killed or immortality as in you can't die but you can be killed?

Either way it's probably a bad thing.
 
i was referring to immortality as in you cant die by natural causes but you can still die by getting shot, etc.
 
Besides the overpopulation argument, I have a much more selfish reason to not want immortality. Quite simply, imagine being told you only have a week to live - how would you want to live that week? I know I would (you might not though) want to live that week as the best week of my life. When we have a limit to our lives, let's say eighty years. In that time I would try to, to put it simply, live life to the fullest (currently that is my life philosophy... I've only got eighty years so I may as well spend them the best I can!). In contrast, as an immortal life would very quickly get boring. And to add to that, there is no psychological incentive to live life the best you can.
 
That would suck.
I don't want to live forever!
Well, if I'm an old man that could live for eternity,
I wouldn't like it. I would suffer everyday.

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i was referring to immortality as in you cant die by natural causes but you can still die by getting shot, etc.
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Then you are contradicting your own argument.
Immortality means that you can't die whatever you do.
 
well, if doctors found out why we die and then simply made it so we no longer age?
 
Immortality would suck crap. You'd get so bored so quick, and you'd try to commit suicide after 100 years, but you'd live.

Not talking physically, you'd be in hell forever.
 
This brings up an interesting point. Because medicine is the pursuit of immortality, and in everyone's opinions immortality=bad, what about medicine? Should we try to help older people live longer?
 
h0v0r said:
That's still stupid IMO.
Just imagine you and your son
being in the same age.
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That's a freaking scary thought... x.x

And Strants, good point. Personally, I think when the choice comes you always want to cling to that chance to live just a liiiittle longer. But is it really a good thing?

I suppose too, it comes down to control. You'd rather be able to say when you want to die, instead of having death constantly nipping at your heels... medicine's there so you can put death on a leash and let her loose only when you feel like it, yes?
 
Well it would be ok as long we still had a way to kill our selfs. Like a special potion. And if certin people broke laws or did something else we could give this to them. it would also be accessible for people to get if they dident want to live anymore. then it would be ok. And there could be like a requirement as in you could live to only 150 then you would have to take the potion. (the potion would be painless)
 
It would suck. But it is impossible. They COULD extend your lifetime in the future. They already extended the lifetime of some worms by 700% (they just eliminate the gen that makes you older). But you'll still age,very slowly and you could still die from a disease or in an accident.
 
GhostAnime said:
if we had access to immortality, how would it phase in the world? is it bad? is it good? do you think we should NEVER have it?

on one hand, it sounds scary but on the personal side.. it sounds perfect.
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Immortality is impossible, since you could still die by murder, accidents, suicide, etc. The real question is more about indefinite lifespan, where technology reaches the point that people stop aging, so the remaining life expectancy constantly stays the same (or increases).

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Kind of like what's happening now in the world and will escalate in a few decades...
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The world really isn't that overpopulated. And about the resources: we'll find alternatives like we always have.

Strants said:
This brings up an interesting point. Because medicine is the pursuit of immortality, and in everyone's opinions immortality=bad, what about medicine? Should we try to help older people live longer?
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yes

Bugwarrior said:
Well it would be ok as long we still had a way to kill our selfs. Like a special potion. And if certin people broke laws or did something else we could give this to them. it would also be accessible for people to get if they dident want to live anymore. then it would be ok. And there could be like a requirement as in you could live to only 150 then you would have to take the potion. (the potion would be painless)
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You wouldn't need a "special potion," you could still commit suicide if you wanted. Many people said it would suck because you'd get board, but if you did have an indefinite lifespan, you wouldn't have to live forever because you could kill yourself whenever you wanted.

If anyone has read the book "The Singularity is Near" by Raymond Kurzwiel, he argues that because of the exponential increase in technology, people who live at least about 50 years from now will have indefinite lifespans.
 
I've always thought about being immortal. You'd live until the world ended, and then you'd just be drifting in space, but you'd pass out, and then you'd just float for the rest of your life, because you couldn't die. No heaven, not even hell. To be honest, I'd rather go to hell than have to float around in space for all eternity, living but incapable of everything. From a religious standpoint, immortality is a useful trait. You'd survive Judgment Day (assuming that's how it's going to occur; this is a Christian religious standpoint). But how would one be immortal? Scientifically, they would be dependent on nothing. So, if we ran out of resources, you couldn't get hungry, because you wouldn't need food. Based on this way of thinking, my space example is null and void, because you wouldn't need air. So it all depends on what view you take, scientific or religious, or neither, just a generic view. From a generic view, I'm going to be frank in saying that immortality would suck. From a religious point of view, it would be about a 50/50. You'd get to be the last person on earth, however, that's also a bad thing. From a scientific standpoint, it'd be amazing. Not to be dependent on anything, and therefore requiring nothing? You wouldn't need to worry about anything. Why do you need to worry about going to college to provide for yourself if everything that would be provided would be worthless?
But what if you were to die because of another reason. If you were shot in the head, and were immortal, how would you avoid death? I highly doubt it would be a Medallion style survival (you know, the movie, with Jackie Chan in it?).
 
I remember in Candides, the greatest of all evils plaguing mankind is ennui, or boredom, loosely translated. And I have to say I agree. To live for infinity, at some point there would be nothing else of interest to occupy yourself with. To have nothing at all, just existence... would be awful.
 
As scared as I am of death... I don't think I'd want it. I wouldn't want to watch all my loved ones die. Besides, the Earth isn't going to be here forever. What would happen to you after it was gone? Would you just float around in space?

Anyway, it wouldn't be good for the world, either. It would get way too crowded, though I suppose if everyone was immortal, there would be no starvation... But I don't think there could be any new births.
 
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The world really isn't that overpopulated. And about the resources: we'll find alternatives like we always have.

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Thats pretty much a blatant understatement. The world is overpopulated, just not in all areas, and obviously most areas that arent overpopulated are inhabitable (EG: Most jungles, Polar caps, arid deserts, etc.). I can tell you right now that the size of the city I live in has grown somewhere around 60% in just the last 10 to 12 years. Japan not overpopulated? China not overpopulated but has regulations on child birth?

As far as resources go, its that kind of ignorance that put our planet in the resource limited situation its in. Not to mention the state of the planets atmosphere being depleted, due to clear cutting, pollution, and many, many other reasons, which is causing global warming- that in turn will eventually(if something drastic is not done in the next 20-50 years) destroy all resources that rely on certain weather patterns and rain cycles to grow, produce, and be harvested. Global Warming can single handedly destroy all of our crops, eliminating food, destroy all of our forests, eliminating shelter(wood for building houses) and any other wood based products.
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